[Spoilers]Horde reacts to baine!

[Tewdee-magtheridon (Tewdee)]

Datamined for the in-game cutscene that doesn’t play yet.

Sylvanas: I have troubling news. It seems there are traitors in our midst.
Sylvanas: Most of you need fear nothing.
Sylvanas: But Derek Proudmoore didn’t flee to Kul Tiras by himself. He had help. Didn’t he…
Sylvanas: … Zelling?

Zelling: Stop! … I returned Derek Proudmoore to his family.
Zelling: I could not stand by and permit such depravity to unfold.
Zelling: You raised him as a Forsaken. But you planned to deny him his free will. To violate his mind.

Sylvanas: Thank you for your honesty.

Baine: Banshee! Are we nothing more than pawns in your game? You betray the Horde!

Sylvanas: No. He did. And so did you.
Sylvanas: Take him.

Baine: Other will see you for what you are, Sylvanas. You will leave the Horde in ruins!

Sylvanas: There is no place for weakness in our ranks.
Sylvanas: Remember your loyalties.

Cutscene text: (Frightened Zelling stammers, panting) (Do we need his dying exertion too?)

[Jouta-moon-guard]

Datamined for the in-game cutscene that doesn’t play yet.

Sylvanas: I have troubling news. It seems there are traitors in our midst.
Sylvanas: Most of you need fear nothing.
Sylvanas: But Derek Proudmoore didn’t flee to Kul Tiras by himself. He had help. Didn’t he…
Sylvanas: … Zelling?

Zelling: Stop! … I returned Derek Proudmoore to his family.
Zelling: I could not stand by and permit such depravity to unfold.
Zelling: You raised him as a Forsaken. But you planned to deny him his free will. To violate his mind.

Sylvanas: Thank you for your honesty.

Baine: Banshee! Are we nothing more than pawns in your game? You betray the Horde!

Sylvanas: No. He did. And so did you.
Sylvanas: Take him.

Baine: Other will see you for what you are, Sylvanas. You will leave the Horde in ruins!

Sylvanas: There is no place for weakness in our ranks.
Sylvanas: Remember your loyalties.

Cutscene text: (Frightened Zelling stammers, panting) (Do we need his dying exertion too?)

If that is true, thanks Blizz for murdering the one good character in this trainwreck of a campaign.

[Granfaloon-shadowsong (Granfaloon)]

I love that a dude who has been forsaken for a week is lecturing the God Queen of the forsaken on what it means to be forsaken.

[Cailias-wyrmrest-accord (Cailias)]

Thank you Blizzard for getting rid of the Sadsaken.

[Tewdee-magtheridon (Tewdee)]

I love that a dude who has been forsaken for a week is lecturing the God Queen of the forsaken on what it means to be forsaken.

Considering Zelling was the best character the Forsaken’s ever got since Cataclysm, he has that right.

[Granfaloon-shadowsong (Granfaloon)]

Considering all the good forsaken predate Cataclsym you are technically correct. And that is the best form of correct.

[Raselle-kargath (Raselle)]

Well, it’s the very propaganda they’ve use on new Forsaken ever since Sylvanas got her Val’kyr. Arguably newer Forsaken would be even more attached to the message of free will, as they’re brought back by people selling them the idea of free will in undeath, while the first generation Forsaken were really just spontaneously set free by the weakening of the Lich King without any idea as to how or why it happened.

[Tewdee-magtheridon (Tewdee)]

I’m still sad we didn’t get a Forsaken who somehow knew and thanked Illidan in Legion.

“Illidan-senpai, thank you for saving me. :)”

[Dotzy-kargath]

Idk I’ve always been a fan of Belmont. Should have had a bigger role in Darkshore.

[Yersynia-khazgoroth (Yersynia)]

Tell that to the people who rebelled against Garrosh. Or Elisande. Or Kael’thas. Or most every ruler that had been rebelled against by the people at that meeting - there are several.

They don’t have the guts to give me the dialogue option.

[Pyrogar-proudmoore (Pyrogar)]

it’s with the fact that you have inserted yourself as the arbiter here with the power to absolve Eitrigg of what he did, and then using circular logic hold him up as an authority from whom you are drawing your conception of honor from.

This is kinda forky, Pyro.

I know Teldrassil was stupid and cruel, I have never said otherwise. But Eitrigg is by no means some moral authority. Because whatever you might assert about the ends that justified his means, he was most certainly DESTROYING and DEMORALIZING people. And I can’t assert that Sylvanas was also PROTECTING people, because I don’t know her motivations (From her inner thoughts in the story her actual goal is obscured), but I’ll bet it will come with the same kind of twisted logic as she always has - which usually includes protecting those she wants to protect.

I’m not trying to vindicate Eitrigg, like saurfang, he too has a lot of innocent blood on his hands. What I i’m saying is he did the WRONG thing for the RIGHT reason, while Sylvanas did the WRONG thing for the WRONG reason.

Eitrigg killed those Orcs because he found their constant lust for war and terrorizing of innocents disgraceful and unethical, and took it upon himself to teach them a harsh lesson. Sylvanas attacked Teldrassil, because she wanted to prevent the Alliance from having access to the azerite in Silithus so that she can continue to build and stockpile weapons to eventually attack the Alliance.

The motivations behind the two are vastly different.

[Pellex-hyjal (Pellex)]

I fear the Horde is becoming what we once hated, $c. And I do not like it."

Ooh, that’s totally going in the Horde PC Shame Tally thread. (But I’ll wait and see if it makes it to live.)

[Pyrogar-proudmoore (Pyrogar)]

How do you get villain-batted if you’re already a villain?

Idk, why ask for a Forsaken protagonist if they’re already villains?

You… You do realize that the Forsaken… don’t actually decide what to do right? That it’s the decision of the writers to make them evil? Right?

Because if you don’t… Ooooh boy.

No, it’s decided by their “glorious” Banshee Queen who they fanatically worship with little to no choice of their own. It’s the writing alright… the fact that the Forsaken are literally written to constantly revere and worship Sylvanas with no personality other than being loyal sheep to be herded by her.

Lol what /10

Dunno how to respond to that.

9/10

[Cailias-wyrmrest-accord (Cailias)]

No, it’s decided by their “glorious” Banshee Queen who they fanatically worship with little to no choice of their own.

I’m just gonna copy and paste what I said earlier but just change a few words around.

You… You do realize that Sylvanas… doesn’t actually decide what to do right? That it’s the decision of the writers to make her evil? Right?

Because if you don’t… Ooooh boy.

[Granfaloon-shadowsong (Granfaloon)]

Yeah, why put belmont as a commander when you can turn an alliance hero into a forsaken ruining the character for both factions?

Well, it’s the very propaganda they’ve use on new Forsaken ever since Sylvanas got her Val’kyr. Arguably newer Forsaken would be even more attached to the message of free will, as they’re brought back by people selling them the idea of free will in undeath, while the first generation Forsaken were really just spontaneously set free by the weakening of the Lich King without any idea as to how or why it happened.

Yeah, but it’s just annoying to me. Like starting a guild and watching the founding members get pushed out by new recruits.

[Cladriah-moon-guard (Cladriah)]

that line belongs to baine.

[Pyrogar-proudmoore (Pyrogar)]

And IM going to copy what i said as well:

It’s the writing alright… the fact that the Forsaken are literally written to constantly revere and worship Sylvanas with no personality other than being loyal sheep to be herded by her.

I don’t understand how you missed that part.

[Jouta-moon-guard]

Idk, why ask for a Forsaken protagonist if they’re already villains?

You do realize that contrary to popular belief, protagonist =/= hero right? It literally just means lead character. So villains can be protagonists.

And besides, Forsaken aren’t inherently evil anyway. The writers just like focusing more on the angry and bitter Forsaken like the Royal Apothecary Society and not so much on the ones that are just along for the ride and want to just live their lives.

[Pyrogar-proudmoore (Pyrogar)]

You do realize that contrary to popular belief, protagonist =/= hero right? It literally just means lead character. So villains can be protagonists.

And besides, Forsaken aren’t inherently evil anyway. The writers just like focusing more on the angry and bitter Forsaken like the Royal Apothecary Society

Ok, well clearly no one here wants to be villains, so why would anyone ask for a “dark” Forsaken protagonist at this point? It’s like some people just enjoy the suffering, much like the Forsaken themselves.

not so much on the ones that are just along for the ride and want to just live their lives.

You mean like Zelling who’s actually noble and just wants to protect his family. God forbid we get any more of those.

Draw and quarter that fool, and bring in another mindless, 1-dimensional, sheep for Sylvanas’s herd!

[Yersynia-khazgoroth (Yersynia)]

You do realize that contrary to popular belief, protagonist =/= hero right? It literally just means lead character. So villains can be protagonists.

Thanos was a villain protagonist and that movie made a bajillion dollars. I liked it.

And besides, Forsaken aren’t inherently evil anyway. The writers just like focusing more on the angry and bitter Forsaken like the Royal Apothecary Society and not so much on the ones that are just along for the ride and want to just live their lives.

They did put in Paxton. That guy is loving life on the lifeless side.