What do you mean?
It’s an opinion, it can’t be invalid.
She’s basically female Nazgrim at this point.
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Because who wants to see their enemies killed right?
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And we all know what happened to Nazgrim.
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I mean… the Alliance did punish Tirion for that.
Hrm…
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I suppose they don’t need to live with themselves. They just need their people to live.
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Sorry, Garrosh was a racist leader he only allowed orcs and goblins into his ranks, even if a meant to keep my oath it was impossible. Sylvanas is giving me that chance.
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Exactly!
And the Alliance are the good guys! So if the Horde want to be good guys, they should just do what the Alliance did! It’s the most logical thing to do.
As such, Baine must be arrested, stripped of his Cow powers, and banished. It’s the only way.
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For now. We’ll see what happens when she gets Xal’atath.
But the point is, it is now established that it is completely OK to rebel against the Warchief sometimes. The trick is figuring out when it is justified. Again, this means the argument of “we swore an oath to the Warchief” is invalid. Sylvanas herself broke that oath. Blind loyalty to the Warchief is not something the Horde expects or demands.
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Yeah but then we forgave him, became friends again and he got his own country to rule.
So like, a dip before the rise of the Moo-King.
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Hence having sacrificed everything; his reputation, his rank, his authority, his home. He gave it all up to save a single Orc.
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YES
You know Tirion transgressed the law and was punished for it, right? Like, he accepted the consequences of his actions but he didn’t pretend like there was nothing objectionable with what he did. He did what he thought was best.
Also, remember when Eitrigg had us paralyze people with daggers to the back so they could die in terror and agony, and then burn all the blackrock orcs alive in demon and dragon fire? Big oof. Wonder what Saurfang would say about all that.
No really, I wonder what he’d say. His opinions on this kind of thing seem to vary wildly.
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You could say MoP was different cause Garrosh abandoned the Horde to form his True Horde. Also he basically tried to murder every one who wasn’t an Orc of his brand.
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I can agree with that, but from my bias and personal view she hasn’t yet.
We didn’t keep it before. I don’t see why we’d suddenly care about it now.
We’re disloyal sociopathic murder hobos.
I mean, there’s time yet.
Sylvie has yet to get her hands on the Old God dagger that exists explicitly to fulfill N’zoths plans.
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"There are others who must hear of this, $n.
And they will."
All I can think of when I read Rexxar’s dialogue is him going home and venting about Sylvanas to his pets.
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You’re just realizing this now? All of the muh honor crowd just picks and choses what they wish to honor. They don’t care about the founding values of the horde as a whole. Just the ones they agree with. Their lack of honoring the blood oath is the most blatant example of this.
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What’s this? An Orc ready and willing to fanatically follow a radical leader down whatever path they may take simply because they hold a (by our Azeroths standards) dated and frankly tainted title?
Or in other words, another Tuesday in the universe of Warcraft.
Careful Blizz, you almost used a character in new and interesting ways.
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Just to be clear, I have no problem with people still choosing to side with Sylvie. If you believe that Garrosh was worse than Sylvie, and that rebelling against him was justified while rebelling against Sylvanas isn’t, than I’m OK with that. I just don’t like the argument that every person within the Horde owes Sylvanas their unquestioning loyalty simply by virtue of the fact that she is Warchief, when the Horde’s own recent history contradicts that proposition.
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