took you this long? I am assuming you didnt read the all the stories of people coming back from the dead in wow
LOL No it doesnt, the main argument is that they wouldn’t come to join some foolish moral war, the people of the shadowlands serve a greater power, sorry but your horde is meaningless in the scope of the cosmos
I mean undead have specifically been able to stay in the prime material plane since Wc2 at least. Maldraxxi are specifically undead.
Oh, I’m well aware, I was just saying those are the only two that would probably please the majority of people. Not that it should be done, but if blizz was serious considering it. Not that I would put it past them or anything.
That’s the only conclusion to come to.
I assume they use either a gate system or those flying worms.
This is another point in the “Shadowlands feel too normal” list, imo. They might as well be just another planet. If seemingly anyone can just leave, then what’s the big deal?
We aren’t seeing anyone can leave. We’re seeing specific covenants can leave for specific purposes. Kyrians can’t do anything on the Prime Material Plane besides collect dead souls.
Maldraxxi are soldiers intended to defend the Shadowlands from other Powers (Big P) so they’re equipped with bodies unto that task.
At this point I almost want to call the Shadowlands a gravity well that just sucks souls in. Just some death elemental plane that managed to wedge itself into the cosmos.
Also takes more weight away from Draka not knowing her son survived her assassination. The master spy of Maldraxxus, can leave the Shadowlands, doesn’t know her child survived.
I said it before, if she doesn’t care enough to find out on her own, like she cares more about the duty to Maldraxxus, then the reunion is going to be one sided.
“Oh, you’re alive. You’re father would be happy, I got stuff to do, so you mind leaving now?”
That’s the problem with treating the afterlife as just another set of questing zones, with rules like the ones we’re already familiar with. It raises the question of why the afterlife isn’t just a revolving door, since “there” isn’t any different from “here”.
It’s like Azeroth being full of ghosts. Well, why weren’t those ghosts taken to the afterlife? “Unfinished business.” Didn’t Draka and Uther also have “unfinished business”? Don’t ask about that, the rules are what we say they are at the moment and consistency would limit our creativity.
I mean, people didn’t have a chance to come back to life. There were hardly any characters in Classic at all. From that point you get to TBC and you get the most egregious example of death meaning nothing with Tempest Keep just being a setback. Then Kel’Thuzad comes back in the first WotLK raid, and Muradin in a quest, even though he’s effectively never been used again…
Maldraxxus are defined as the military wing of the Shadowlands. Only a pretty poor army could only fight within their own territory. And from what I understand they already beat the ish out of the Light, Void and Legion who all tried to invade their realm.
With the Kyrians being angels of death and Maldraxxi being cosmic war skellingtons them getting to leave adds up.
But I hope Ardenweald and Revendreth remain more or less self contained. Nothing about their job suggests realm hoping is vital.
Oh, I think I have an idea of what I hope is going on.
On worlds with a large Legion presence, the rules of reality break down a bit and the line between life and death is weakened. Sort of like what happened at Icecrown.
Maybe what Sylvanas is trying to do is completely eliminate the barrier because the state of “death” is somehow better than “life” and you can do what Draka has done and what the kyrians do anywhere?
It is easier to bring someone back to the realm of the living if you know where their reborn self in the Shadowlands is…
We know where Vol’jin, Uther, Kael’thas, Vashj, Alexandros and Garona are but no idea where Tirion, Varian, Garrosh, Durotan, Terenas, Daelin, Garithos, Zul’jin, Doomhammer, Gavinrad and Lothar are!
We don’t even know if they retain their names either considering Venthyr change their names upon becoming Venthyr. The Shadowlands’ exits are not as simple as you make them out to be!
The Shadowlands are a labyrinth and only experts like the Maldraxxians and Kyrians know how to navigate it! Simply using the nearest exit from the Shadowlands might land you on a foreign planet with no way home!
Since the Legion’s been mentioned as invading the Shadowlands before, I just figured Draka fought them during that invasion.
Death being a revolving door kind of ruins any suspense or tension in any story that isn’t a trashy cape superhero comic.
half these afterlives are rigid workstations with no leniency for a spirit to leave it.
even if there are peaceful ones out there, where you can just be yourself and do what you want, would a living person want their loved one to teleport back to azeroth as a ghost?
this doesn’t make death a revolving door. it just makes the plane of death work like all the other planes we’ve dealt with. the emerald dream was accessed by the arcane and fel knowledge of arugal, necromancers teleport in and out of the shadowlands, mages and warlocks can teleport in and out of the nether.
this doesn’t hurt anything, because most people don’t want their loved one back as a spirit or shambling corpse, or some strange new body. this isn’t changing how hard it actually is to truly fully resurrect someone to life.
we going to the shadowlands with physical bodies is a kind of anomaly that would allows us to go in and out of it, I think
there are rules for portals and teleportation in wow, you need special requirements, for example, to teleport sargeras you need a lot of preparation and a power source the size of the well of eternity
if someone tried to snatch kael thas, for example, grab him by the ear and throw him into a portal that leads to azeroth … we have no reason to believe he would be intact once he gets on the other side, maybe he turns into a spirit/ghost/specter, because he no longer has a physical body
the kyrians being angels kind of explain why they can dimension hop, getting those wings gives you something that allows you to do it
the undead of maldraxxus probably have physical bodies waiting for them when they leave the shadowlands, if not while they are in it too (i mean, we will be able to craft abominations through the covenant, there is flesh lying around the place)
If you think about it, it’s sort of like Hades/Underworld tropes in fantasy, right? I can’t think of an example off the top of my head but I know I see it often - a character comes back temporarily on a contract from a spooky Underworld.
They are still ultimately bound to the realm of death and are a creature of death.
It seems like alot of the rules of death are really poorly defined.
I mean it seems like everyone in Maldraxxus seems to have an undead form yet Draka seems completely alive?
I mean Uther became blue when he became a Kyrian. Vashj has a skeletal form and Alexandros seems to have a DK undead appearance. What makes her special?
I get the feeling that it was because they don’t want thrall to be disgusted by her appearance when the two meet.
You actually think it ever had impact in this setting where, like, a quarter of the world is undead?
Draka: You best start believing in ghost stories, Thrall…you’re in one!