Best example I can think of is that Iāve noticed that people often fall in love with fictional characters who are nothing like their real-life SOs. You enjoy reading about the dangerous, sexy vampire, but for day-to-day living, the mild-mannered guy (or gal) whoāll drive to the store in a snowstorm to get you cold medicine is much better.
Or take revenge: in fiction, itās often intensely satisfying. In real life, it usually just makes things worse.
That kind of thing.
Thatās what I figured you meant. Iām not sure how to properly articulate this thought, because I agree. But Iām not sure it relates to my issue with how the topic is being discussed. Between the enjoyment of certain fantasy elements versus making certain claims about them.
Just that a person could be horrified at real-life slavery and yet not care much if Sylvanas enslaves Eyir.
Iāve played since Vanilla. I know. But times a-change. Remember when south shore wasnāt a neon green wasteland? Remember when thousand needles didnāt have water in it?
If we lose stormwind, orgrimmar needs to be lost too. Weāve lost enough.
The story does need a mix up though, youāre right there. I personally think that change is removing the faction barrier and the red v. blue BS weāve dealt with entirely too long. Its time to let us all play together.
One more āwe forgive youā storylines is probably my last straw.
Iām not asking for a we forgive you storyline. Iām asking to punish sylvanas. But if you look, the majority of horde players think sheās an idiot, and hate this expansion. its not their fault that this happened.
Its high time they let us play together.
So another scapegoat storyline.
Horde is innocent of everything.
Hugs and kisses and lets move on to the next story.
Right?
so what do you think was going to happen? theyāre resolving the faction conflict. they said so at the beginning of this expansion. So whatās your ideal end game?
No forgiveness,just temporary cease of fire.
never stop the war.
Occupation.
Camps.
Dismantlement.
One faction from now on.
You asked for my ideal. Here it is.
And you think thatāll actually happen?
Why else would they do a Teldrassil?
The entire Horde army and leadership is involved and continues to be involved.
Pulling another Garrosh resolution is not the answer here.
Or Alliance is finally defeated and they cease to exist.
Either them or us. One faction has got to go.
So hereās what I think should happen.
No, i donāt think weāre all going to sing kum by yah (sp?). I think weāre going to fight a bloody war. And I think all the single nations will be at each others throats by the end of it. Internally and externally.
Sylvanas is going to eff up. Sheās going to cause some greater power to attack us all. Weāll have to grudgingly put our fight aside and fight the greater enemy.
Sylvanas will have her āazeroth is freeā moment. Unfortunately. And cringe-ly. And hopefully, sheāll eat the big one once and for all, though i doubt it.
Meanwhile, the alliance will keep splintering away from anduin.
There is NO alliance or horde at the end of the expansion. Just single nations. Stormwind, Gilneas, Orgrimar, Thunder Bluff, ETC.
The enemy will be defeated, and all factions will be neutral. In 9.0, Guilds will be able to invite any race to join. Loose alliances will form between the factions, but not as we saw them before. And theyāll all be liquid. No more red v. blue.
Can this be pulled off? Probably not. But thatās how Iād write it.
That doesnt sound too bad to me.
A thousand times no.
I would rather the whole world burn than be forced to team up again.
And btw, having a losing storyline? That sounds fun and new.
Maybe we can have a time skip and fight off Nzoths new empire.
The post I wrote that got the most upvotes Iāve ever gotten on the old forums was on my paladin. It was before legion dropped, and before we knew it wouldnāt take place in the old world like we all seemed to hope.
I wrote up a final raid where we donāt run through a dungeon. Weād been beaten back, all of our capital cities had been burned to the ground, and both factions had been beaten to a pulp. We were literally fighting legion-ified versions of our leaders as raid bosses in front of the dark portal as we defended civilians retreating through it to alternate universe Draenor. The last boss was Sargaeras, and youād ādefeatā him if you got him to 98% health. Heād then start channeling a spell that would end with Azerothās destruction while a host of adds try to kill you as you retreat through the dark portal yourself.
A lot of people liked that idea. Unfortunately, Blizzard doesnāt employ me.
So I could get behind an expansion where we lost. I think itād be fun. ![:rofl:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/rofl.png?v=6" ":rofl:")
I really hate that cow.
Do they? Apparently a lot here hate Baine because heās not evil. And would be willing to sacrifice the spirit of the Horde to win a war they didnāt want and apparently makes them feel bad.
As Zuleika notes, I donāt see why making an argument in the context of the workings of a fictional setting should translate to following whatever moral ideals you have in real life. If itās any consolation, as Iāve said before I donāt really object to things on moral grounds to begin with, as again I feel thatās a very weak avenue to approach any topic from. That being the case, whatever reasons Iād object to it in reality arenāt really applicable in WoW.
they do look conflicted, donāt they?
Because it relates to the claims being made in our discussion of the situation. More so than just the enjoyment, but the perceived morality.
I donāt see why, if you think your opinion on it doesnāt matter at all, you so insistently refuse to give it. Feels like you think it matters some.