So todayās the day we finally get to finish Tides of Vengeance , all at the cost of the DazarāAlor getting raided and the life of King Rastakhanā¦
For those of you who have not yet completed the raid, you can take a look at the final cinematic below:
Talanjiās wail for her dying father, only to be met with that vile glare from Jaina, malice almost piercing through the screen, it all really pulled on my heartstrings!
After discovering the deal her father made with Bwonsamdi, Talanji sends the players off to defeat her enemies as they flee, but Jaina blocks the Horde off just long enough for the Alliance to escape.
In the aftermath, the Alliance leaders are patting themselves on the back for a successful assault (Expect Anduin of coarse, and even Jaina in a surprising 180 despite all the malice sheās had during the raid? ).
Meanwhile, the Horde attends Rastakhanās funereal with Baine, Nathanos, and finally Sylvanas paying their respects their fallen ally. This is how it all transpires:
Baine feels like a very inorganic character to me. Why must he be an additional damper on a already depressing situation? I get Nathanos sounding a tad bit menacing in his promise to make the Alliance pay for Rastakhanās death but the Zandalari Empire has just met one of the greatest losses theyāve had for generations man, is a little bit of motivation gonna hurt? Then immediately he goes to having negations with the Alliance when the situation looks bleak, right in front of Talanji . Very motivational of him. If you know the situation with whatās gonna happen to Derek Proudmore, you already know how I feel.
baine is the only one who actually have a realistic reaction.
You are losing the war that you started, if you donāt want to get exterminated, start the damn negotiation. you donāt have a choice. unless you just want that all your people die in a war that they never wanted.
Honestly it reminded me of the possible Baine glitch on during the Broken Shore event when he was yelling āI CANT TAKE MUCH OF THISā literally 1 second after pulling aggro.
So the Zandalari have to pay the price for the actions the Hordeās done in the past, then give up immediately before they ever involved themselves in all this? Iād say they deserve some vengeance before all this is overā¦
But naaaaaaah, how the Zandalari feel doesnāt matter, even after Sylvanasās promise to them, sheās just too dishonorable guys. Forget about 'em. Instead we should impede the survival of our not only Horde solders, but the lives of the Zandalariās people. Shouldnāt win a war even if thereās a slightest chance of dishonor involved, itās just impossible for a little reformation afterwards.
I sure do love me some FACTION PRIDE from good ole Baine āLEGITIMATE MILITARY ā Bloodhoof.
It really is no wonder why Saurfang and Sylvanas was keeping Baine in the dark about the War of Thorns. Between Baine sending pieces of his body to Anduin and Blightcaller pawning him off on the Warchief during the battle of Lordaeron, it feels like no one wants to tell Baine anything.
Baine was never in favor of the war in the first place. He was actually the character that pushed Sylvanas into sending forces to Silithus to heal the wound. Heād rather be doing that than waging a war with an uncertain chance of victory.
Even if the Horde was in a position to thoroughly obliterate the Alliance, he wouldnāt want to do it, because he isnāt a genocidal racist. He has a sense that life is inherently valuable. He doesnāt want the Horde to die, and he doesnāt want to kill the Alliance either. Heās pro-peace.
He was just taking an opportunity to either stall the Alliance, or actually bring a war heād see as nonsense to an end. He wasnāt talking about surrendering, he was talking about negotiating.
Itās WoW. The story has literally never been dependent on realism, itās all rule of cool. And instantly tapping out after taking a punch to the chin is not at all cool. Furthermore, āa war that they never wantedā is pretty insincere, for most of the Horde. I can recall orcs, trolls, and tauren all eagerly participating in this poorly written conflict. Mind you, no one was cheering when the tree went up in smoke, but Sylvanas didnāt launch those payloads herself, now did she?
Weāre all complicit in damn near everything that has happened and will continue to happen, right up until the Horde schism rears itās ugly head again. Just like we were with Garrosh. If the Horde is destined to lose the war (we almost certainly are), even if Sylvanas is killed in the most Alliance-cathartic way possible, I truly hope the writers arenāt going to just drop all the blame for everything we did on her corpse. FFS, they tried to blame Garrosh for Alexstraszaās horrid abuse during the second war. Are we going to blame Sylvanas for for the time Kelāthuzad poisoned the grain of Lordaeron? If Iām going to sit through this dreck, Iād like it if Blizzard actually remembers that not only did they write Sylvanas this way, they wrote ALL of us this way.
Look, there wasnāt a settlement of Tauren that Baine could sacrifice so he could run and hide. Of course heās going to immediately talk of surrender.
If we are talking about vengeance for Rastaās death, Talanji should be the first one going for it, and Sylvanas is the one who can deliver that to her.
Unless blizz writers want to be consistent and pull a āDraenor is freeā move with Talanji shaking hands with her father killers at the end of the expacā¦
well, you are right, is all about rule of cool, the story is a gigantic mess right now.
and no, sylvanas didnāt do it alone.
if the story would be realistic, varian should have push his dismantle , or garrosh would have destroyed the alliance first before turning on the horde.
because there is no realistic scenario where we can just forgive the horde an act like nothing happened.
to be honest i would be just happy if this crappy faction war is over already.
ā¦ alright, you got a laugh out of me. Kudos. I miss Legion, btw.
But as for Baineās outburst, I think heās just focusing on the here and now. Talanjiās dad is dead, and Baine - sympathetic as someone who stood in her shoes not four years prior - is trying to console her through the mourning. While I must admit Blightcallerās statement is understandable, Baine is also understandably not keen on him weaponizing her grief for the war.
Baineās characterization may frustrate people in general - again, understandable, heās hit or miss in my experience - but this strikes me as both in-line with it and organic.
Baineās dumb. His suggestion is dumb & pessimistic . Horde is capable of overcoming their challenges in the war, and helping Talanji avenge her dad, but he would rather not so that we can be friends with the Alliance. The only people uplifting the Zandalari are Sylvanas and Nathanos as they promise the Horde wonāt abandon them and vowing to seek justice for them. Baine just offers a pat on the back and hot cocoa.
Horde players complaining about burning people like they are part of the Third Reich and then you got others that are complaining about Baine and his audacity to question the mighty Warchief.
to be fair here, I think there may be some stops along the way between wanting to make war with your long time enemies and being a genocidal racist.
I get that Baine would never be pro-war, even when his own people are being mass BBQād right outside his city gates, but there do need to be SOME limits.
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