He tried to de-escalate the situation rather than escalate it. Thatās not rolling over or pretending it didnāt matter.
He had reason to dislike Garrosh.
That said, Lorāthemar was trying to leave the Horde itself. I think Baine believes in the Horde as an institution more than Lorāthemar does. Not to mention, he did so in Mists of Pandaria, when all the faction leaders were turning against Garrosh. Baineās actions were at the start of the war when some trust was still granted to Garrosh.
Maybe, maybe not. Point remains the wall did not fall, the Alliance did not pierce it. Very speculative as to whether or not they would have gotten through with the general turmoil in the region and further moves for peace.
I donāt agree. I think assessing their effect is difficult given the various circumstances going on at the time. Ultimately Varian agreed to peace over continued war when Volājin became the new warchief. One must look at various places such goodwill might have sprang from.
I think the question is, did it make sense to try and deescalate the situation?
Letās consider the context here. The Alliance had just launched an invasion into the Barrens, effectively cutting Mulgore off from Orgrimmar. They had destroyed one of the Taurenās main settlements in the region, as well as having previously wiped out one of their tribes further south. Theyād established two new major fortifications as well as other minor encampments, in addition to their two preexisting bases, in comparison to the Hordeās singular major base in Desolation Hold and scattered small camps. They were also actively sieging the gates of Mulgore.
Considering the strategic debacle the Horde was facing, as well as the fact that the Alliance was showing no signs of stopping their assault, what reason did he have not to engage them, and instead choose to exile those who advocated striking back? It certainly did nothing to stop the rest of the Horde, or even his own exiles, from fighting.
The only reason I can guess at would be that Baine thought Jaina was a good person or that he owed her for her previous assistance. But this is very weak reasoning.
Which is to say, the Horde fighting back. The Cataclysm certainly didnāt stop the Allianceās war effort, and they werenāt moving for peace at the time either.
His sonās word and the pragmatic realities of trying to force a decisive ending. It was very much not done out of simple āgoodwillā brought on by Baineās earlier capitulations.
Are you seriously trying to argue that a comment that was a response to someone else who as far as I can tell isnāt even talking to you is me saying you personally want Baine to be a warmonger?
Wow.
And you also managed to misunderstand that comment completely!
Check my post history.
My favorite Alliance characters are clearly Anduin and Velen, and I have made my disgust for the faction conflict known many many times. But go ahead and keep claiming I love me some warmongers!
Once in eight years, and he didnāt kill the Alliance for attacking a village, instead saying HIS people were IN THE WRONG FOR DEFENDING THEMSELVES AND AVENGING THEIR FALLEN.
Baine Bloodhoof has done precious very nothing to defend the Horde beyond protecting its ideals of free will and trying to stave off war.
I didnāt feel like digging through all of the other threads where you whine about people not loving Baine just wanting him to be a warmonger to find the other accusations, so I figured this one would do. Sorry it didnāt meet your exacting standards.
The only times I see you post are to whine about Horde players not loving Baine and how much you love Goldenās writing soā¦
At any rate, I think we are done. Itās obvious we have zero in common on this subject and itās not likely to change.
His idea of de-escalating the situation was to wait passively for the ballistae to knock down his wall.
Baineās actions were to warn Jainaā¦and thatās it. There is no indication that he made any attempt at peace himself.
Siege weapons were already firing on the gate. There were no Tauren manning the walls to fire back at them, no sorties being lead to destroy them from Mulgore. The only reason those siege weapons did not work was due to Bloodhilt ordering them destroyed.
If you can find any mention of the Alliance being grateful that the Tauren rolled over when it came to Taurajo, Iām all ears.
It literally had nothing to do with Baine being a warmonger.
At all.
Itās not even remotely relevant.
And still not actually directed at you.
Clearly havenāt spent much time actually looking at my posts.
They are actually about 65% Anduin fangirling, 10% faction conflicts are stupid, 9.5% miscellaneous nonsense, 6% Baine has principles, 5% stop exaggerating Goldenās not that bad. 4% Gennās a bad doggie, 0.5% why doesnāt Treng love meā¦
ā¦ oh and fangirling over old guys with hot voices with Dotzy.
Baineās motivations are VERY clear on why he wanted to negotiate.
The Horde is on the cusp of losing the war (Nathanos admitted this), and seeing the chance to end it before more Horde died in a meaningless effort, he wanted to pursue a way to end the war without the cost of life. That is NOT a cowardās reaction, that is the reaction of a bull(man) who weighed the options and threw his opinion out there. Sylvanas and by extension Nathanos want to start a cycle of vengeance for a conflict they started, even going so far as to string Talanji along by her heart strings over her fatherās death. Sylvanas wants the Zandalari under her control, and she knows Talanji is willing to follow.
Sylvanas wants to do that to ALL of the Horde, make them follow her whims, this has been established for months from Before the Storm. This perfectly fits into her character, and even after the fact itās re-inforced by whatever happens to Baine. A show of FORCE to the Hordeās leadership to ensure that they do not defect, lest they face her wrath or their people be damned.
Baine was the logical one in that scenario, seeing the Horde on the dawn of defeat and attempting to draw the line to save the Horde from the war. Sylvanas pushes for vengeance, for a conflict she soley created, and will push the Horde into wiping themselves out for her whimsā¦ But deary me, wouldnāt all that death be so gorgeous for the Lich Queen? All those bodies, ripe for the raising!
most of the hate comes from the humiliation that comes from it (i am not intending to offend anyone)
not only they started the war, they are losing.
you know, lokātar ogar and all that.
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