So important that she monopolizes like 90 percent of their lore (hamstringing the Forsaken as a race), and actually is objectively a terrible representative for them.
She has a long history of using her “Mongrel Race of Rotten Corpses” as mere tools for personal objectives; She WASN’T actually betrayed by the Alliance (either of them); she NEVER was a champion or citizen of Lordaeron; and she DOES have access to her own family (its her own garbage personality that ruins those relationships). Hell, Nathanos is structurally a FAR better representative of what the Forsaken are atm (with the worst thing being his relation to Sylvie).
Oh wow it’s almost as if she basically single handedly rallied them into the society they have been since Vanilla and has played a very active role in leading them in almost every major development they made as a people, thus forming the foundation of their race. Of course her presence is at the forefront of their lore, where else would it be?
Besides Pyrogar, you’re the last person I’d ever believe has an actual understanding of what actually makes the Forsaken what they are and how Sylvanas is the character that represents that best.
Are they not a Mongrel Race of Rotten Corpses? Literal rotting undead made up of a wide variety of people from Dalaran to Quel’thalas and everything in between? Is that somehow not an accurate description for the Forsaken? I know Before the Storm butchered a lot about them but this part of them has sorta always been the case. But it wouldn’t be one of your posts if you weren’t copy pasting some buzzword or phrase that’s somehow supposed to mean anything.
lol looks like I was right about you knowing little to nothing about the Forsaken. Not surprising.
Lordaeron is window dressing to the real defining points of the Forsaken at best. But I’ll just let myself from a few days ago repeat my point.
Nathanos being from Lordaeron means literally nothing when he is basically just a pale shadow of the traits that embody the Forsaken best compared to Sylvanas.
There isn’t any Forsaken character in the game that is a better fit for the race’s themes and values than Sylvanas. No amount of dislike for the character or misunderstanding/ignorance of the race’s themes throughout WoW will change that.
So Edgy, Hostile, Sociopathic, and only gets away with half the crap she does because the story bends over backwards to make sure everyone ignores her nonsense (until now, and even then it took half an expansion for them to finally move against her)? Yeah … that about fits the Forsaken under Sylvie to a tee (lots of people looking the other way at convenient times).
But hey, they are her “Bulwark Against the Infinite” after all; her “Meatshield Against her Afterlife”. A different function from her “Arrows in her Quiver” that she all but abandoned when she splatted herself at the foot of ICC; but no less of a tool (one that could absolutely be discarded just as easily if it ever ceased to serve its core function). Blind-sheep she’s leading off a cliff.
Until you realize that that behavior has long since come at the expense of the rest of the Horde’s racial narratives; because they are CONSTANTLY forced to look the other way on the Forsaken’s BS (while the Forsaken get to snicker under the breaths about the worlds worst kept secret “Them just using the Primitive Races of the Horde”). Its about damned time that the Forsaken actually join the friggen Horde, them being their own little edgy side faction that drags the whole faction into the mud with them grew old 10 years ago.
The other races of the Horde tolerate the Forsaken at best, if “actually joining the Horde” means that the Forsaken have to acquiesce to the demands of races that care more about abstract honor than the well being of the Forsaken, then the Forsaken are under no obligation to care.
They’ve been a part of the Horde for a long time, you just don’t like how they choose to advance their interests and want to change them to suit your tastes.
A race should appeal to its fans, not change to satisfy players who don’t like the race.
No I don’t, because there is no evidence of that. The rouges are, in Horde content, not there to kill civilians and, as much as Alliance posters like to insist, Alliance content does not constitute canon over Horde content.
How bout they actually get a leader that actually genuinely cares about them as a people first; then you can complain about how Horde “honor” comes at the Forsaken’s expense. Sylvanas’ relationship with the Forsaken has ALWAYS been kept VERY deliberately ambiguous. She VALUES them, but CARE and VALUE can be two very different things … and that is an issue that will need to be dealt with regarding the Forsaken eventually (regardless of the Horde).
Also, the toleration of the Forsaken under Sylvie leadership will continue to come more and more at the expense of the Horde Faction narrative. If they continue to act like rabid blood-thirsty monsters (who nurse a victim complex a mile long to justify it), then there is less and less of a reason for the Horde to keep them around (beyond mechanics). So … Blizz would continually have to damage the Orc, Troll, Tauren, and BE racial fantasies to justify Sylvie’s Forsaken in the Horde.
I preferred the cold war approach to the faction conflict. Skirmishes(PVP features) and both sides having their own paths carved out of the overarching story of the heroes overcoming world threats. This constant push for unification drives me away from it, frankly.
Cold Wars grow more and more difficult to justify over time.
They traditionally will escalate, or they will dissipate. Keeping a Cold War Cold for the sake of PvP immersion is just nonsense on a storytelling level (and the one thing I do agree with in regards to BfA is that if ANY Races were going to bare the brunt of the Faction Conflict escalating; it was ALWAYS going to be the NEs and Forsaken).
Meh … we’ve been doing that for ages in WoW, why change things now? Because it happened to be the Night Elves to be the ones to take the beating? Oh no!
Plus, on a Meta level its not like they lost any characters of actual importance (and I’m sure Blizz will continue to magic infinite NPCs for future content). Hell, Teldrassil itself (rather than the people within it) isn’t much of a loss; considering that tree was just as much a symbol of the NEs exploitation and abuse of Nature (as it was of Nature itself).
Do you have any facts to back up your assertion that it is a fact? Any charts or statistics? I’m genuinely curious. Where are you getting this fact from?
Do keep in mind that Garrosh captured the civilians that were ‘spared’ from Theramore off the coast of Tanaris and took them back to Orgrimmar to kill them off.
So what I’m really asking you is, where do you have a source of the number of civilians killed in the purge of Dalaran vs. Theramore. Because as far as I know there’s no concrete numbers given either way. So you claiming it is a fact is hyperbole.
Oh yeah, I remember that. When we brought survivors home to Orgrimmar instead of killing them, just so we could torture them to death for entertainment. That was some #morallygrey times.
Malfurion directly confirms that it was Twilight Cultists who killed Elerethe Renferal when she is killed in the Nightmare Raid in Legion. Remember it was the twilight attack on Elerethe Renferal and Hamuul that pushed Cairne to act against Garrosh by challenging him to a Mak’gora. However Chronicle Volume 3 does tells us Garrosh had Horde forced invading Ashenvale.
So I look it as Garrosh sends his men to invade and the Twilight take advantage to escalate the violence by butchering the night elves, skinning them, and attacking the the peaceful druid meeting in Ashenvale.
I know. Tauren, on average, are some of the nicest people on Azeroth.
I wonder what the Forsaken reaction would be to a raid on Thunder Bluff? The Tauren have historically been the most accepting of them. The Tauren conviced Trall to let the Forsaken into the Horde.
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