For me, it’s hard to really like anything Gilnean anymore when there’s nothing culturally different from Stormwind about them, whereas Kul Tiras is so unique and everyone loves that kingdom for how it’s distinct from Stormwind.
I think even if they brought Gilneas back, the damage they’ve done in watering them down would not make me care enough anymore because if they do come back they will just be regular humans that worship the Light and love their neighbors instead of being proud isolationists, oh but they have a faux British accent so clearly that’s somehow enough to distinguish them from Stormwind.
I’m saying that I feel bad for our Gilnean Cata brethren because WE (the Bilgewater) got our resolution finally after 10 years. The loss of Kezan was not the focus of the Bilgewater intro like the loss of Gilneas was for the Worgen. The focus was on our antagonist, Gallywix, who was arbitrarily kept our racial leader for the last decade. So, with him ceasing to be our Racial Lead AND our Heritage questline being about our characters breaking ties with him … we’ve had our resolution. We even had half a buildup for his replacement.
Yeah, I just lost any reason to really play Worgen, if they’re written as just humans I just play a human character for that. Feels hard to really feel myself fitting anywhere when Gilneas is still in ruins but I don’t have that issue when I’m playing my Human or other race of characters. (Night Elves would feel bad in this but Blizzard constantly designs zones and reminds us of Teldrassil in Night Fae questing, but Gilneas never gets mentioned again.)
I’m a little more pessimistic (or bitter?) about it; Gilneas and even Kul’tiras just struck me as “Stormwind in a slightly different time period” to begin with, so I don’t think I really got the hype about their architecture all that much. It’s certainly more focused than the Disneyish presentation Stormwind gives, but I figured it was all just variations of England in the first place.
And I’m not really sure why the stuck-up isolationist aspect is something to be admired, unless it’s liked for it being a flaw. But racial pride themes kinda weird me out anyway so maybe that’s just not an aspect of the content meant for me.
So, how many years has Gazlowe not been on the plot since the introduction of the Goblins? All ten or flashed sometimes? Looks like he was in the Siege of Orgrimmar? I plan to put him in a coma, but most likely it will not be needed due to the small screen time.
For Kul Tiras it’s not just time period but the overt nautical sea themes, to the point that it’s part of their religion, along with the Drust history. The Children’s Week stuff does a great job of showing different aspects of Kul Tiran’s culture.
For the isolationism of Gilneas, the problem is that really was their most iconic trait upon their introduction, that they were too proud or reclusive to fully commit armies if it didn’t benefit them in some way. It was selfish so yes it was a flaw, and I think by doing away with that it certainly did kinda sand off some aspect of them that was more ambiguous.
But I do agree that it wasn’t going to be feasible to keep if they needed to be part of a faction, so Blizzard just removed it but didn’t fill the void that would make them unique in some other way. The curse could have been that but they have watered that down to not being important to their theme.
Gazlowe has been around since WC3, if that is what you are asking?
But within WoW, his only major participation in events prior to Mechagon were: A) His building of Orgrimmar during Cata; B) His aiding Baine during the Grimtotem Rebellion; and C) His activities within the WoD Garrison/Garrison Campaign. He is still fairly underdeveloped?
Also, why are we putting Gazlowe into a Coma? I also don’t get why your so fixated on blowing up Bilgewater Harbor? I’ve lost the conversation at some point.
I really don’t think you want this type of equality across all races.
You are trying to achieve equality between Gilneans and Goblins, but ignoring the other races. If you are advocating for equality across races, then you would need Night Elves (and every other race) to lose every stronghold to also be equal.
As it is, Goblins lost their home already, and it took 8 years to move to a new home. You are suggesting destroying their new home as well.
Are you ready to blow up every Night Elf stronghold in solidarity with Gilneans?
I wonder if we all die when Azeroth’s Titan Soul wakes up.
“Equality”. No worgen capital - no goblin capital and vice versa. And by introducing Gazlowe into a coma, it will be possible to wait for the beginning of the development of Gilneas and begin the countdown, so that the main problems of the goblin worgen lasts approximately the same time.
Goblins? 8 years? They moved right into Cataclysm, didn’t they?
I would draw lines between those introduced in the same extension. Orcs - Humans, Forsaken - Night Elves, etc. But this is only now, usually I use the logic of “the offended takes revenge on the offenders.” Seems Yes.
Yes, because 3 lines of dialogue to resolve a story thread on the backburner for 10 years (that most people wont ever see) is the equivalent of devoting the assets to reclaim a city. But beyond that, I’m not sure why the Bilgewater have to have their ONE and ONLY character put into a Coma, simply because Blizz finally got around to resolving their intro story; solely because the Worgen have not been allowed to have their resolved? Shouldn’t the focus be on getting the Worgen’s intro resolved, rather than dialing back the Gobs?
Yes, this is an ineffective logic based solely on the “time of the main problem”. Nothing counts.
You can try to calculate the resources of Gilneas, Kezan, that village of worgen and Bilgewater, subtract the Gilnean cities from the goblin cities and give the difference to the losing side.
I feel like you keep missing what I’m telling you, because you’re too distracted by “stuff”. The loss of Kezan was never the Focal Point for the Bilgewater’s personal story. It was their conflict with their Antagonist/Leader Gallywix. Thus, the resolution for the BW came in the form of finally having him removed from a position of power and replaced. WIX was the equivalent to our Gilneas. Which makes B.Harbor more like our “Genn”? So you wanna blow up our Harbor, then you gotta let us kill Genn in your analogy.
How so? The reclamation of Kezan was never even hinted as being a plot-thread for the Bilgewater after its destruction, and they as a people resettled nearly overnight. The entire story thread manifesting from our intro questlines was the antagonism with our “villain” Wix. He was our unresolved issues, up until BfA. The main story of the Worgen is the reclamation of Gilneas, or revenge in relation to its fall.
And I don’t get this conversation. Like I started out by saying I truly feel bad that the Worgen playerbase has not seen the resolution of their Cata intro; even though ours was a little half-a*sed. And I’m kind of pissed that the reason they don’t have Gilneas back yet, is probably due to Blizz not wanting to waist he assets (and Gazlowe taking charge in Wix’s absence was really low-cost). Then somehow it twisted into needing to take the one half-developed character the Gobs have AND their city/zone away from them; out of “fairness”?