Did she act that way? She didn’t she usually kills people for stuff like that, Baine is still alive, I am sure she just doesn’t want to risk him getting out, since I am sure the imprisonment of Baine is just another ploy to get Cowardfang out of hiding and get him to try and rescue Baine. And in the unlikely event that Traitorfang succeeds, Baine will not know the actual plan. Which is the smartest thing that Sylvanas could do, not give Baine any information on her actual plans, seeing how he is going to run to the Alliance like a good little double agent and tell them all about it.
Killing Baine would cost her the loyalty of all the tauren. Mayla’s already contemplating leaving just for his arrest. Sylvanas is a half-blind idiot to be sure with stupid plots that are doomed to fail, but not even she is so dumb as to completely lose out on her strongest troops. Baine will be a hostage to keep the tauren in line.
I doubt it, considering the Highmountain are next to useless, and the actual Taurens are probably cheering now that the Chieftain who banished his own people for wanting vengeance against the Alliance is finally gone.
Did Baine do something cool? Has he ever done anything against the alliance?
No, he freed Derek at the cost of the safety of his people and the lives of the horde, just because he feels guilty.
There is nothing cool here. Only someone who is too cowardly to act directly against Sylvanas.
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Acting against her plots is acting against her.
What you meant to say was “not acting against her according to my standards and expectations”. Which, fair enough, you’re within your rights to be disappointed. But try not to be blatantly wrong about why.
No. If Baine acted directly against sylvanas he would go to the mak’gora against the warchief. Releasing derek into nothing helps the horde.
I repeat what he said for you, since you seem to ignore these facts: He risked the life of his people for the Alliance, he killed Horde soldiers for the Alliance. Baine isn’t Horde, he doesn’t care for his people. No, he isn’t a coward, I will disagree with Glenzo on that, Baine is just stupid.
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It establishes a chance for peace in the war the Horde is losing. It also takes a stand for the Hordes standards. Something the current Warchief and a surprising number of supposed Horde fans dont care about at all.
And oh Goshom, you keep trying bud. You might be worth responding to more then once one day.
A peace, really? As living as Alliance second-class citizens again? After they just got done slaughtering our allies? Murdering their priesthood and pillaging their city? Murdering their king? Peace is not a option here, as a Orc WOULD say: Victory or Death. The Alliance wanted this war and now it will be fought, to the death if need be.
In the words of Bloodhilt before throwing Warlord Gar’dul off of a tower for letting the Alliance attack Taurajo while he hid behind his walls:
Yield? You… YIELD!? What part of Victory or Death do you not understand?!
Because giving Jaina’s brother back totally makes up for the destruction of Teldrassil? Tell that to the Night Elves.
If Baine really wants peace with the Alliance, it’s Tyrande he should be making nice gestures to, not Jaina.
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Assuming she’d be willing to listen to and peace talks at the moment, sure. But she probably isnt and Baine doesnt have an in with her like he does Jaina. Both in how they’ve interacted before as well as being able to use Derek as an olive branch.
I am for peace as long as the Horde returns to its roots. With Baine we would be alliance bootlicker.
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I just don’t have as much faith as you that this event is so earth-shattering that it will lead to Alliance forgiveness. (shrug) It’s a nice gesture from Baine to an old friend, but to think it will make the entire Alliance willing to enter peace negotiations that are in any way favorable to the Horde is putting far too much weight on it to be believable, in my opinion.
Do you really see Tyrande saying, “Wow, Baine brought Jaina’s undead brother back? Okay, I’ll have an immediate ceasefire! Let’s start peace talks immediately!”
The best I can see is that it might lead to the Alliance treating the tauren leniently, but they probably would do that anyway thanks to the tauren druids and shaman who are in Silithus looking for ways to help Azeroth instead of taking part in the war.
Yes, more or less. Or it leads to Tyrande leaving the Alliance to go be a villain because we’re steadily running out of those.
The faction war, like any other main plotline in any previous expansion, won’t be getting carried over into the next expansion. And thats not even including the multiple developer statements that this expac is going to be the “end” of this conflict. So Baines reaching out here is likely meant to serve as part of the foundation of that new status quo. Not by itself, and theres a lot more ground work to lay, but the story is already pulling itself out of the faction war sinkhole.
Then we just disagree, I guess. I just don’t think this action on Baine’s part is that huge a deal. Or it shouldn’t be, if they want their story to be believable.
On it’s own? It’s not. As a link in this expansion long chain to establishing a new status quo? Yeah, yeah that fits.
Unless Saurfang frees Baine and then they both go and get Thrall, I don’t see this leading to redemption.
And frankly, for Tyrande’s development sake this should backfire spectacularly for Baine. To pretend Tyrande should feel appeased in regards to the disastrous Teldrassil just merely by Baine cattering to his gal buddy is insulting AF. I mean is not even him reaching to a real “difficult” objective in a show of good faith but him just running to cry and try to appease his -well known since War Crimes- human girlfriend. The one that had a higher probability of giving him the time of the day out of anyone sans Anduin himself.
Sorry but if I would put onTyrande’s shoes I’d call BS and continue to demand just retribution. Fair is fair and the decades old dead brother of Jaina is irrelevant in comparison to miles of dead Nelf civilians.
I’m still of the mind that “Getting Thrall” is EXACTLY what Saurfang is doing atm. Also, Baine’s probably going to be kept alive to be used as a hostage to keep the Tauren factions in line. Despite what some Horde players would like people to think, the Tauren generally do support and approve of Baine. There is a faction that is frustrated with him for not seeking disproportionate retaliation (and sentencing their entire species into a constantly escalating spiral of conflict with the Alliance), but it is what it is…
Bluntly, maybe Baine realizing that sentencing his people who have barely had time to recover from a near extinction level event to constant, endless warfare was probably not the best idea. Hell, maybe that’s the reason the BEs and Darkspear are so “Meh” about investing in the faction conflict … their decimated populations at home.
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Bringing back Thrall isn’t redemption. It’s too late for him to solve our problems.
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