All other timelines except the MU one really has garrosh as a heroic figure and the best warchief the horde ever knew.
You know characters change right? Not over a short span sure but if garrosh has remained imprisoned by the August celestials he would’ve changed.
What are these timelines though, and who is watching them? Main Azeroth is considered the true timeline, so these other ones, who is ‘dreaming’ them?
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Alternate timelines are always possible ones, like Shrodingers cat. They are what could have been but not what actually happens.
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Man i think it’s just a cameo because he’s been nowhere in 9.0 datamining but if they gave him a redemption arc in SL i’ll be so hype.
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Maybe a later patch?
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That’s what I am thinking. He’s being used as flavor for Revendreth, rather than a plot point.
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So what? He still choose not to. Does that somehow mean all of Garrosh’s sins are Kairoz’s now?
I fail to see what part of that makes it NOT still all his fault.
“Oh, he would have become good if he hadn’t been giving the OPPORTUNITY to regain power and get revenge. It’s the Dragon’s fault for not taking away his option to be evil.”
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Look my dude, kairoz is culpable because he wished to restore the bronze dragons powers and planned to use garrosh as a pawn for those selfish ends. He failed though and denied garrosh any chance to atone for his crimes.
If someone is given the opportunity to atone or escape, and they choose to escape, they didn’t really want to atone. The Celestial aren’t law, they are flawed beings that don’t really seem to understand human(orc) behavior.
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No he didn’t. Garrosh’s chance to attone for his crimes was to not go with Kairoz and not choose to continue to be evil.
The idea that someone else came along and went “Hey man, how’d you like to keep being evil?” and he went “Sure!” and now it’s no longer his fault is ridiculous.
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Okay how do you reform a person? Do you keep them in a place to reflect on their actions or do you help them escape to an alternate dimension immediately after committing crimes hoping they’ll do what you want them to.
I’m not saying Kairoz’s actions weren’t contributory, but saying Garrosh is now no longer responsible for any of his past sins just because he was given the option to atone and CHOSE not to is nonsense.
“Hey, Frank left a knife on the counter with a note telling me to stab some people, so I went out and stabbed 50 people. It’s ENTIRELY his fault.”
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Look not blaming kairoz entirely but he legitimately is the reason for garrosh trying to invade Azeroth from AU draenor, without kairozs interference at all! We would’ve avoided WoD and garrosh would’ve gone down a different path.
Kairozdormu was what we like to call “an enabler”.
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Exactly my point
But being an enabler doesn’t absolve the other party of responsibility or mean they would go straight. Which is what Vespero is saying.
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Right but, you’re still giving Garrosh credit he doesn’t deserve. Like “Well, he would have been good, if we locked him up and FORCED him to be good.” is not something to celebrate.
Kairoz just gave him a choice to be good or evil, and he CHOSE evil. Kairoz didn’t TAKE his redemption from him. He gave him a choice and he THREW AWAY his redemption.
He doesn’t deserve sympathy for that.
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Oh I understand that point, but kairoz actions really did prevent garrosh from being rehabilitated. It’s like pulling a drug addict after only being in rehab for an hour and expecting them to not go back to going drugs.
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Having a chemical dependency doesn’t really equate to being a murderous tyrant.
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