Why does the Jailer have a hole in his breastplate after getting the Arbiter’s orb/sigil/key/whatever?
He still has a hole in his chest even with his “ultimate form”, and it defeats the purpose for armor to have a hole around the chest area, and there’s still no reason for it if the armor’s just for show.
He was probably wearing that breastplate when this macguffin was taken from him. That’s my impression at least.
I would think this would be obvious. The armored Jailer is the actual fully-realized Jailer, the way the Primus is now fully realized. The broken part of his armor is that part of his being where his brothers and sisters betrayed him and stole his sigil to create the automaton robot known as the Arbiter. He get’s his armor back, but it’s still broken from where the Eternal Ones were cowardly snakes who betray their own sibling like no good rats.
I thought that was obvious? Does Blizzard have to spell everything out in ABC format?
I would appreciate it if this was the case. Then it would be harder for them to BS the story later, by saying that the things they established and sold us, were never actually the case.
If Blizzard were forced into a position where every story beat had to be resolved within the patch it was introduced it would be…very boring.
SWTOR just got done resolving a story beat with its “emperor” that was introduced in Vanilla. Other MMOs are the same.
That’s the way episodic storytelling works. Blizzard could definitely afford to bring more professional writers in at this point, but the community reaction right now is just vindictive.
Episodic story telling is fine as long as the writers remember to keep in mind that they want the game fans to enjoy the game enough to keep paying for it. The LK made small cameos in stories and quests for years. People had fun.
Yeah. That’s why I believe the way forward for Blizzard is a pause on WoW storytelling and a full Warcraft 4 campaign that moves the storyline forward and resets the status-quo of all the races and leaves room for an “evil” Sylvanas-led faction moving into WoW 2 vs. a combined Goody-Two-Shoe Alliance + Baine Horde combo.
Logistically I don’t see it happening. Which is too bad since its the only way I can imagine the gamerbro community to stop whining about Sylvanas like little babies.
Considering Zovaal is all about how “Every Soul has it’s Purpose” and “All shall serve me” while mentioning fixing the First Ones’ flawed design the Eternal Ones replaced one Automaton Robot with another more one which unlike the first stays put and does not attempt to strip existence of free will!
The Jailer’s attempt to fix the First Ones’ flawed design was to attempt to destroy the Multiverse and rebuild it with no Free Will.
The other Eternal Ones’ attempt to fix the First Ones’ flawed design was to replace the first Arbiter Zovaal with a new Arbiter(probably created by the Brokers considering her design) that only sorts Souls and nothing else since according to their understanding the flaw was giving the first Arbiter too much freedom!
The First Ones designed the Jailer to be given freedom to expand his parameters in case Souls differed from the previous instances yet carelessly gave him freedom of movement and speech which resulted in him going to tyrannical extremes(destroy Existence and rebuild it with no Free Will) in order to fulfill his function!
The second Arbiter was given freedom to expand her parameters to sort Souls yet no freedom of movement or speech which I dare say was an improvement on the Eternal Ones’ part.
Their own mistake was treating the previous Arbiter as a Person to be rehabilitated and not as a Machine to be scrapped!
Since he was a Machine the rehabilitation methods utterly failed and his parameters found away around the Domination Magic using it to help fulfill his function through ensuring his escape and attaining the means to end all existence so that he may rebuild it with no free will!
WC4 may be a good idea to move plots along but I think "evil Horde vs “Good” Horde would be less of an issue if Blizz got back to making each race and faction the Hero of their own stories rather than writing that declares one the objective bad guy of the story arc.
The Jailer’s “powered up” look is honestly kind of weird. The hole in his armor implies it’s meant to be his pre-banishment appearance, but the problem is, it doesn’t make a lot of sense for him to have originally looked like that. The Primus when restored adopted his appearance from before he was captured, but the Jailer somehow now looks like something that shouldn’t have existed yet before his banishment.
Because his whole skull-and-spike appearance seems derived from the Mawsworn/Mourneblade aesthetic. Which comes from the Domination-based designs created by the Primus to imprison him.
An overarching theme since this started has been that being denied his own power, Zovaal’s instead mastered the Domination magic that bound him in Torghast and has been using the implements of that confinement to shape the Maw as we see it and build his army. None of that stuff is supposed to be “his.” It’s all designs and concepts that he acquired by taking over his surroundings and prying ideas out of the “Runecarver’s” memories.
So…why would his original armor look like a fancy Mawsworn when the whole form and aesthetic of the Mawsworn came about long after he was imprisoned, and was informed by the architect of that imprisonment’s designs?
Domination in it’s true form is the Rainbow-Black Colored Death Magic used by the Mawsworn.
The Blue Death Magic, Skulls and Mordor aesthetic is Zovaal’s own(why both the Primus and Zovaal like Skulls is beyond me).
Case in point Zovaal replaces the Rainbow Death Magic with Icy Blue Death Magic.
Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination being Blue means the Jailer co-opted it! He is mixing his Blue Death Magic with the Rainbow Death Magic and the Blue shows on the weapons while the Rainbow shows in the attacks!
The Mawsworn themselves have the Blue Death Magic get more and more prominent on their Models as the Jailer gets stronger.
The Mawsworn Models in 9.1 have whatever Death Magic is empowering the Mawsworn(Sylvanas’s Purple Death Magic, Zovaal’s Blue Death Magic, Helya’s Green Death Magic and some unknown Yellow Death Magic) being more visible with only a slight amount of the Rainbow Death Magic being visible.
My point is that between the designs of Frostmourne, the Helm of Domination and the crafted Legendaries all coming from the Runecarver’s head, the ICC-derived aesthetic we now see in the Jailer’s new look was already established as coming from the Primus. Not from Zovaal.
How is this not the fully realized Jailer? He’s got all four sigils and the Arbiter’s orb. Plus, since he has the power to restore his old armor, he could’ve also used it to seal the hole in his breastplate.
While it’s possible they’re leaving the hole there so we can have a “X rips the Arbiter orb back out of the Jailer” scene, that makes it even more nonsensical in-universe that Zovaal doesn’t plug that hole.
Just chucking out an idea here, but perhaps it is meant to somewhat reflect the same idea of how Arthas tore out his own heart to distance himself from his own mortality? In Zovaal’s case it be more a reflection of how he has gone rogue and torn away his intended place in the design of the First Ones.
As for his oddly mawsworn look, I would say the original design look was supposed to be…
but then it got leaked and the devs got mad their intended dramatic reveal was spoiled and so they off the cuff designed the version we have now.
I don’t care. He looks really cool. Broken chestplate or not.
probably where his anima/essence was ripped out of his chest…or the orb and his heart (Heart of the Forest) are two different things that he needs.
He’s clearly a Hollow from the Bleach manga.
Except that while the basic designs of the Helm of Domination and Frostmourne may have come from the Primus, the flourishes and aesthetics that went into those designs were likely put their by Zovaal to bind them to him and the Maw rather than to serve whatever purpose they were originally intended for.
Remember also it was likely not the Primus who forged the helm or mournebkades we have seen thus far - as we saw with Kingsmourne, Zovaal is perfectly capable of forging such items with his own minions.
Considering we don’t really see a lot of icy blue skulls in the architecture or armor of Maldraxxus, I think it’s safe to assume that the Primus’s designs were co-opted and corrupted after Zovaal’s own designs, and that’s meant to be reflected in his revealed ‘original’ appearance.
Or it could simply be a reminder to his siblings, that they ripped out his sigil from his chest.
He’s never shown that he’s wanted to kill his siblings, just make them suffer the way he has.
I think Blizzard just failed to get that part across, too. =/
what I don’t understand is according to the Primus that if Zovaal killed him then his sigil will be gone forever.
But apparently after Anduin stole the ardenweald sigil then yeeted off, we “restore” the sigil later after the primus makes new ones…(I think I saw that somewhere on the PTR). If EOs can make new ones or cloned the old ones, then why was it important to keep their sigils? They can just get more.