Speaking of the Jailer and "flawed design"

Oh yeah, Blizzard dropped the ball on that one yet again.

Prince Renathal will probably remake the one for Revendreath, guess Denathrius isn’t needed for that?

Archon and the Winter Queen remake thier sigils using the power of friendship within their covenants, but Zovaal cannot remake his, cause… reasons?

None of this has been thought out, they are literally just throwing darts at a board.

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The Helm of Domination was a crown fit for the King of the Damned so it was clearly made in Zovaal’s image(he was the King of the Damned) even having the symbols of Zovaal’s own helmet.

Frostmourne simply has a goat Skull which is a slightly common theme of Maldraxxus so only the Blue would need to come from Zovaal infecting it with his Death Magic.

The Legendary Armor made by the Primus for the most part resembles Maldraxxi Armor except for the Plate Armor which was clearly based on scraps of Memory of Zovaal’s appearance!

If I recall Renathal needs the Crown forged from Medallions forged from Denathrius’s own power to make it.

Zovaal having been in the place of the Arbiter needs the other Eternal Ones’ help if he wants to reforge his Sigil and since none of the other Eternal Ones want to aid him except Denathrius he can’t make the Sigil.

The Primus therefore is needed to make the Sigil since he never divided his power like Denathrius did. Furthermore he needs 3 more Margraves to reforge his Sigil.

It’s also unfulfilling when the story advances and explains nothing… which started with the Sylvanas and helya deal. Still don’t know what happenned. It’s been years. Same goes for the jailer, we still know nothing. There’s no payoff.

Episodic story telling works if it answers questions along the way in a weekly or monthly basis… Not over years. Idk about swtor but wow shouldn’t copy other mmo styles when their original worked fine. Get off your high horse. You aren’t above the forums just because you inferred a hole on his chest means something was ripped out of it, don’t need to be so antagonizing about it if other people prefer it to be stated outright.

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Perhaps. My issue is with the broken chestplate, not the rest of him.

The breastplate is jagged looking because his sigil was torn out by force. It sort of makes sense why it wouldn’t fully heal when he obtained his true form again. :wolf:

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What’s wrong with it though? He got his sigil torn out of his chest. He’s still going to have some sort of scar that it happened at some point.

I don’t mind his design. My question is since he could use his new powers - he has the other four sigils plus the Arbiter’s - to regain his old form why didn’t he repair that damage?

Because it’s just returning him to his old form. The Arbiter’s Sigil is the only thing that changed him, because it was his. If the Primus got his arm cut off and then his sigil removed, would his arm just regrow? He might repair it later but there’s no reason. It just looks cool.

I mean look at Thrall. He’s running around shirtless and nobody is questioning him.

he has the hole in his chest so that sylvanas can shoot an arrow into it and blow him up to prove she’s the hero in the story.

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I still think it’s just a reminder, imagine him interacting with any of his “siblings” and they try to give him the “why are you doing this speech.”

He’d easily be able to point to his chest and show where his sigil was forcibly removed and use that as a basis to why he’s doing what it is he is doing.

When he mind controlled Anduin and took the Archon’s sigil, you could hear the feeling of betrayal in his voice, he wants them to witness what it is he is about to do, and possibly have a reason to justify it for himself.

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Was it explained anywhere how the Jailer’s forces are able to leave the Maw and attack everywhere? I thought only Maw Walkers could leave.

That was more of a suggestion.

Though I am curious, when Sylvanas, Anduin and the Mawsworn went to Ardenweald, did they have to go through Orbios first, or did they go straight there? We know they do attack Orbios, but that seemed like it was after ‘we’ left to go defend Ardenweald. I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest that the infrastructure of the Shadowlands is ignored already, just wondering if they gave any sort of explanation. I mean, we do see the Jailer just make a Thanos portal and leave, but I just assume that’s a recent ability with his powers.

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That’s just from a certain perspective.

:pancakes:

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The weakening of the heart of Ardenweald is the only explanation so far which doesn’t really explain a lot of the comings and goings prior to that.

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I believe the logic was that Kel’thuzad devised a ritual to allow passage to another realm.

Likewise the Mawsworn Kyrian seem to to by default have the ability to leave and enter by nature of their intended function as Kyrians.

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I thought it was more implied that whatever came into the Maw, the Jailer would instantly notice via Odyn’s Eye and capture those individuals.

Nothing is allowed to escape the Maw.

I also thought that’s why Ve’nari is so heavily implied to be up to something, she’s working with the Jailer, keeping tabs on us, leading us to open the Sepulcher for him maybe?

Really? I look at the maw and see a black hole (red in this case) thats being powered by the heart of ardenweald and assumed it would function just like a black hole in our universe. Nothing escapes not even light. Perhaps I’m just silly.

I’ve touched on this in another topic, but I believe Torghast to be the original Eternal City.

Basically, The Maw didn’t exist until it had to exist, Zovaal was the Arbiter, Torghast was part of the city, until Zovaal witness a life so pure evil, that it broke his perception of the Shadowlands.

He couldn’t understand how the First Ones could create a being so evil. A soul unworthy or unable to seek repentance via Revendreath. This drove him to “madness,” using souls to forge an army to attack the First Ones and rebuild reality. (Similar to Sargeras seeing a Void Titan)



Zovaal needing his sibling’s sigils to gain access to the First Ones powers.

The siblings disagreed with him, fought back, and the result of the battle was the Maw. Torghast was in ruin, the Eternal City destroyed and scattered across the “In Between” and the portals destroyed in the war. Hence, The Maw, was created with no “portal” to escape.



Zovaal and Torghast’s banishment created the Maw itself, Orbios and the Arbiter were than constructed to filter souls before it got to Torghast, it’s original destination.

Being who are able to come and go within the Shadowlands, such as the Kyrian and maybe Dreadlords(?), could always bypass this via their own teleportation. The Brokers would find means of their own.

Any other being would be captured and tortured via the Jailer’s domination magic.

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IF blizz went with your ideas, it would’ve made the shadowlands story a thousand times better and would make Zooval a much better villian overall. :wolf:

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