Sounds like they're gonna nerf Delve T8 rewards

[Dragnius-stormrage]

@Snozay-area-52

Go back and read the quotes so you can see where I explicitly stated that even t11 delves were too easy to award hero track.

I said to increase the difficulty in general, I brought t11 up as an example of difficulties that already exist in game but are underused because they aren’t tuned correctly and thus go ignored You are the one failing reading comprehension here as you completely misread my point when I was referring to upping the difficulty in general across the board.

@Snozay-area-52

That would imply I lost. You’re not even caught up on the conversation.

You did lose, you are acting completely smug about a comment you didn’t even fully understand, and you continue to double down. I wonder where you are going to take the subject this time? Should we go back to talking about my cat?

[Aurostrasza-proudmoore]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

Deterministic gear tends to be faster because it alleviates bad RNG.

Yes, and it DOESN’T MATTER because you’d have a higher level of gear to achieve with higher gear level costing more tokens, and Blizzard is perfectly capable of balancing this so that it’s spread out over a season. And there are plenty of ways to award participation besides gear, too. You need to think outside the box and not confine yourself to the unsuccessful way Blizzard currently does it.

[Okogo-wyrmrest-accord]

@Lovelight-sargeras

I’m not really concerned with people doing +4 or +5 and inviting randoms with no io into their groups and then failing.

They can complain about it all they want, and they can learn to take people with dungeon experience.

And people who never do dungeons should learn to not try to skip progression, and to not take it personally when they don’t get invited, or when they brick the key because they don’t know any of the mechanics because they only do delves.

But your claim that people are going into “high keys” straight from delves is simply not happening.

I mean, it is not MY claim. It is M+ community claim.
Also in the interview posted in OP, it is said that +7 should not be an entry way to Mythic Plus and that people have been doing that.

Do I agree with your points? Honestly, yes.

But it isn’t the reality we are living on as is, sadly. People have been SALTY.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

@Aurostrasza-proudmoore

Yes, and it DOESN’T MATTER because you’d have a higher level of gear to achieve,

Oh, so going back to a system, they moved away from? lol.

That’s not going to happen.

Blizzard doesn’t want people grinding trivial stuff for power rewards.

[Faelea-kargath]

I miss the MOP event gearing, you got a set of gear and could level it up from anything you did with a single currency, we all could , in theory, get to the same power level but it would take some much longer to do so based on what content you did.

Sure you could max out by running nothing but raids but I could to if I spammed enough dungeons, it may take me ten times as long but it was something I could work for, basically a never ending carrot doing content I liked.

[Celtharion-area-52]

@Padgarre-lightbringer

As a result I expect they’re going to knock it down a peg to either higher tier Champion loot in the vault or perhaps even lower Heroic loot.

When have they ever reduced loot rewards like this? They’ve increased but I dont recall them ever reducing it.

I think this “worry” is speculation for speculation sake unless you have other evidence to the contrary.

[Badhabît-kelthuzad]

@Okogo-wyrmrest-accord

Hey, then you need to take that argument towards the M+ community that has been rampaging since Delves came into play on how it impacts M+ in a negative way.

I wonder how much of the vocal part of that community is part of the “Carry Services” community.

I can only imagine how much income is down nowadays. What else are you going to do while waiting for a paying customer, other than complain online about how their potential customers now have other avenues to gear up.

[Lovelight-sargeras (Lovelight)]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

Blizz is probably noticing people rather quit than fix m+ score to get invited into +7s.

And they might try to rectify that.

How do you fix that? You can’t force people to take random people into their keys who have no dungeon experience.

It’s why blizzard implemented the “Mythic Dungeon Score” or whatever they call the raider.io rating in game.

None of this is an issue for people who understand how progression works.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

@Lovelight-sargeras

How do you fix that? You can’t force people to take random people into their keys who have no dungeon experience.

Give people an incentive to run +2s. (Gear upgrades) after they’ve knocked out easy delves.

[Aurostrasza-proudmoore]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

Blizzard doesn’t want people grinding trivial stuff for power rewards.

Once again, you fail to read what I posted. Under this deterministic reward system, tokens would only be granted for raids, dungeons and delves like they are now.

You are confining your thought about this to a small box, and you need to stop. There is so much more potential out there than Blizzard’s current overcomplicated, confusing and altogether unfair system.

[Myzrym-area-52]

@Badhabît-kelthuzad

I wonder how much of the vocal part of that community is part of the “Carry Services” community.

It’s certainly above zero in this thread alone.

[Faelea-kargath]

@Badhabît-kelthuzad

I wonder how much of the vocal part of that community is part of the “Carry Services” community.

It was found out a couple years ago that certain devs were part of the paid carry service so I imagine they have a hand in this.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

Then why would I suddenly have a higher level of gear to achieve? My gear remains the same ilvl?

[Aurostrasza-proudmoore]

Stop posting so quickly and READ WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING, for pete’s sake. Go back several posts of mine and you’ll see that I said you aren’t stuck at one level; each item is replaced with a higher level item from the vendor as soon as you purchase the previous one.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

So, you are indeed advocating trivial content for power rewards…

Which, you claimed, you were not?

[Penderghast-stormrage]

That would be the end of delves. The problem isn’t that delve rewards are too high. The problem is M+ 2-5 rewards are too low. Same with LFR and normal raids.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

As I said, if they renamed mythic to divine, heroic to mythic, and created a gap for delves to still retain champion gear, it’s the same thing. Delve rewards are nerfed.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Dragnius-stormrage

I said to increase the difficulty in general, I brought t11 up as an example of difficulties that already exist in game but are underused because they aren’t tuned correctly and thus go ignored You are the one failing reading comprehension here as you completely misread my point when I was referring to upping the difficulty in general across the board.

If I say even t11 isn’t hard enough to award heroic track then obviously it’s not a good example.
My man your understanding is at 0.

@Dragnius-stormrage

You did lose, you are acting completely smug about a comment you didn’t even fully understand, and you continue to double down. I wonder where you are going to take the subject this time? Should we go back to talking about my cat?

I haven’t lost anything. You only think I lost because you aren’t able to actually understand my points let alone refute them.

[Lovelight-sargeras (Lovelight)]

So let them be salty. Stop generalizing entire groups of people.

Are there going to be morons who invite people to a +6 who have no experience and then complain when that person has no idea what’s going on?

Sure. They need to learn how to invite people correctly. Let them fail. Don’t generalize millions of people and make them all out to be like that.

[Deldriel-stormrage]

If they nerf T8 then I know a lot of people who won’t be doing delves anymore. One more reason to just take even more time off from this game because its starting to get worthless to even play anymore.