Accept no one wanted them as the warriors new threat meant you didn’t have to worry about pulling ago, healers didn’t need threat reduction skills…as long as the tank was a warrior. The second all the dps and healers dropped their threat reduction skills since they were not needed with warriors noone wanted to have a tank that would need those skills put back in.
i like how you use “occasionally” for raids. well guess what.
everything you said applied before and after 1.11.
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druids and paladins weren’t used as main tanks before 1.11 anyway. they were used for trash or as off tanks or for adds. that’s it.
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I’m not opposed to the pre 1.11 threat generation mechanics and the earlier version of shield slam being used. In fact, i would prefer to see the earlier threat generation mechanics and earlier version of shield slam used.
Having said that,
is outrageously funny, coming from you, since the earlier version of shield slam was not part of 1.12.
Allow me to quote you:
Is it just the pre 1.12 things that you want that are ok?
bamber is delusional and think when we want no changes that means no changes from 1.12 at all. which isn’t the case.
we are more then happy to discuss anything that happened over the duration of vanilla. I for one would welcome pre naxx threat.
Druids and paladins were never the first choice for main raid tank, either before or after the changes to threat generation mechanics or shield slam.
Druids and paladins could effectively tank dungeons and were used as off tanks in raids prior to the change to threat generation mechanics and shield slam and after those changes.
I know. I was just pointing out that the “no changes from 1.12 at all” only seems to apply to things prior to 1.12 that she doesn’t want, such as single realm BG’s, etc. The “no changes from 1.12 at all” doesn’t seem to apply to things she wants, such as the earlier threat generation mechanics and shield slam.
Who are you speaking for when you say “we”? Why are you the gold standard as to what the classic community wants? Bamber brought up very legitimate points that seem to be ignored.
Sorry but adding content wont work. You are forgetting there is a very specific and encompassing itemisation in Classic.
Add new raids? For what? New tier gear? New Dungeons? So we can get what, tier 2.5? tier 2.6 level gear? Naxx was the pinnacle of Vanilla, so we already know what the upper power limits of Classic will be. You are going to shoe horn a bunch of new gear into those limits and completely change the player progression lines?
Sorry no, no changes. Deal.
because blizzard actually encouraged us to discuss that type of stuff at blizzcon last year?
you know when they said “we want to know what you think” and then gave examples that came during vanilla
pre/post av
10/15 man dungeons.
etc.
Bambers problem is that while he has some points that could be discussed that occured during vanilla (like pre 1.11 threat vs post 1.11 threat, which i would love pre 1.11 because it slows down warriors and feels more authentic pre naxx), he also wants post vanilla changes.
please tell me xirgg. what game is being made? is it vanilla? or is vanilla+?
because i’m pretty sure blizzard called it vanilla.
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You never answered who you’re speaking for, so I would eschew using the pronoun “we”. Speak for yourself, not the community.
I’m pretty sure blizzard has called it classic and only indirectly called it vanilla during the initial announcement. Blizzard has been very consistent with calling it the “classic experience”.
they have repeatedly said an authentic experience as well. so congratulations.
they have also said they aren’t doing balance changes.
they aren’t adding LFD or LFR. they aren’t adding Flying. they aren’t adding Transmog.
so good luck getting those changes you want.
and everyone i have met in the classic community who doesn’t want outside vanilla changes has at least been open to discussing changes within vanilla.
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They said they aren’t doing balance changes for 1.12 but future changes are still not confirmed (“We’ll listen to the community”). This was explicitly stated by a senior developer of a podcast this month.
The people you talk to about the classic community are not the general population that will actually be playing the game. You can get very skewed results from anecdotes like that.
they also said “if you want what we would do now, we have that, in BFA, go play that, we don’t have what we did then, so were going to do what we did then”.
so yes. somewhere down the road they could do balance changes. guess what? it won’t be before classic goes live, and it surely won’t be for a while after classic goes live.
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“Senior developer of a podcast”?
Yeah, that sounds like a real official Blizzard source.
The video is literally linked in this topic. Sorry if my wording is bad but that doesn’t change what they say.
he’s referring to this
Blizzcon: https://youtu.be/RAKvIx6eQpA?t=940
which is hilarious because literally right there they say
“But we really do want to make sure we get this authentic recreation because, uh, if you want the modern balance changes, we have those, those are in BFA. if we wanted to get what we would do today, we have what we would do today, that’s available. but we don’t have what we did back then, and we want to be able to give people back what we did then. especially on things like class balance and that authentic gameplay experience”
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yeah and what they say is “If you want balance, go play BFA”.
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That was what I suspected, especially when the poster to whom I responded used a “senior developer of a podcast” as his source.
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and what do they say? if you want balance changes. we have those. in BFA. go play that.
loves it.