Tell us, with your infinite knowledge, exactly what Blizzard’s server infrastructure looks like. Then tell us, where you got that information from.
all i know is that i’ve lagged with around 50 people all in the same area, which considering were 14 years beyond the release of vanilla is really sad.
and frankly, i’ve been sharded away from others just out farming mobs and there wasn’t that many people around.
One of the key points about vanilla is COMMUNITY. Another key point is player interactions. and SHARDING works against both.
NO SHARDING.
Tell me about Blizzard’s lack of hardware and their use of cloud computing.
Tell me how sharding is good for classic community and player interactions.
tell me about how blizzard started from “classic won’t have sharding” and has since moved to sharding at launch.
tell me why i should accept sharding beyond launch.
tell me why i should trust blizzard to actually stay true to there word.
tell me why you think sharding is good for an MMORPG
tell me why you think sharding is the best solution.
tell me why sharding should be used in vanilla outside of launch.
tell me how you include sharding without screwing up player interactions.
tell me how you include sharding without screwing up the economy.
The only alternatives to sharding are greatly limiting the number of players that are able to log in to a server and having players endure multi-hour long queues, releasing ten times the number of servers that would be launched with sharding, or creating an enormous list of computational priorities that will detract from the gameplay experience of everyone.
All of these options have their own list of horrible downsides.
you misunderstand me. i will grudgingly accept sharding at launch.
tell me why we should allow sharding beyond that. in any capacity at all.
I’d say that if you can tolerate it during launch, there’s a chance you won’t notice it and its effects on the community and the economy won’t be as pronounced as you’re thinking they’ll be.
So, that could be a reason we should “allow” (lol at that word) sharding beyond the minimum launch window and tolerate a certain amount of sharding creepage, but that of course is rolling the dice on the experience itself.
As it is, I’m thinking we need to manage our expectations and try to not remember how Vanilla was a dozen or more years ago wearing rose-colored glasses. Classic, unfortunately, won’t make me 14 years younger this summer, which is really what I want…
i tolerate it at launch because it helps with stability.
any effect that is detrimental to the economy and community is something that i won’t tolerate.
or we can just not have sharding after launch. seeing as that is what most people seem to want and that is what was promised.
i understand that classic had its issues. believe me i am. however the fact is that sharding is about as anti classic as it gets. i’ll grudgingly accept its use at launch, but the moment it’s in longer then that, you’ll find me hitting the unsub button.
You’re convincing me not to tolerate it even for launch.
Haha, yeah. I’m in agreement with all of the anti-sharding points, of course. I’m just hoping for the best and bracing for the worst. If we get sharding (and I think we will, but I’ll be happy to be wrong about that) beyond launch I hope we can find a way to make the best of it and people won’t quit out of a principled stand and instead will create an addon or website or some kind of guild that makes the game worthwhile and more MMO-ish than sharding will allow.
Not sure how to thread that particular needle. I’d contrast it with what I expect large groups of people will be doing: spending the vast majority of their time in dungeons and raids and BG’s and not in the open world where sharding is a thing.
its not a stand on principle. its about holding blizzard to there promises.
they promised no sharding.
they promised an authentic vanilla.
they promised that they understood classic was about community.
so no. it’s not a principled stand.
its about the fact that if blizzard wants my money they have to keep their word.
Um… that’s actually a principle your standing on there…
Do you have a link on that promise? I might have missed it.
“One of the tenets of Classic WoW is none of the cross-server realms and different [server] sharding options that we have available to us today. There’s a lot of desire on part of the community that this is something that they don’t want.”
That seems to me to be less of a promise and more of a target or goal surrounding authenticity. It does not make an absolute promise that they will sacrifice something like server stability for this particular part of the authenticity. I think they don’t have such a tradeoff to consider when it comes to CRZ, so that seems pretty safe that they won’t have it.
But no – I don’t take that quote from Brak to be a no-sharding promise.
they literally say one of the guiding principles is no crz or sharding.
A guiding principle is not a promise, other than to do their best to make it as authentic as possible/practical.
You are going to be very, very disappointed in things if you hold them to these sorts of statements as if they were a contract…
i won’t be dissapointed. they will. when they lose my money and a whole bunch of other money as people mass unsub because they use sharding.
they understand that we don’t want it.
they have stated it is a guiding principle to not use sharding.
so when they use it - that to me means they understand that they are adding something the community is MASSIVELY against.
and they are prepared to take the consequences for it.
I’m literally on my last straw with blizzard.
after doing nothing to fix faction balance in retail for 10 years.
after putting out a painfully bad BFA expansion.
after annoucing Diablo Immortal.
after slipping sharding into the demo and then going full DC mode afterwords.
they literally have 1 more chance.
if they screw it up, i am gone from wow and blizzard in general. forever.
But if you quit Blizzard, where will you go to make your daily 57 posts?
shrug. i can find other things to pass the time. i’ve been reading a lot of books these days.
No they said specifically said cross realm sharding and phasing. Same realm only is a slightly different beast.