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I mean technically it’s not though I mean it wouldn’t it be easier For them to put in classes that have already been made they have the final form of.

And just slap them in the game rather than going back and trying to Twink And balance things?

I mean in my mind at least Taking something that’s already done And putting it Is in is a lot easier than trying to balance a lot of things that need help.

Is how I would see that Not only that as I said They wouldn’t even have to give us the glyft system.

If they went with wrath Just have Is a starting talent points at level one instead of level 10 with cata They literally don’t have to change anything.

Because at level 85 we had 51 talent points And this Isn’t vanilla they’ve already clarified that

And it would turn the meda on its head So in my mind Those would be the 2 best options.

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Ignore Megarune. He keeps posting the same nonsensical paragraphs over and over and thinks we or blizzard care. There will be no wrath talents nor should there be. Go back to retail or wrath pservers

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I’m just happy they aren’t addressing Flask Spamming. I can simply buy gold and have unlimited mana. Easy win against the longer fights in SoM.
Rag has a new AoE affect after submerge? (If we even hit submerge) Flask of Petrification.
This season is going to be a joke as long as you open your wallet :smiley:

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naztor arguing that warriors are a hybrid class is cute. this is the same guy who says I don’t know what I’m talking about :rofl:

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Yes, Kevin Jordan’s streams on Twitch are HIGHLY entertaining and educational when it comes to game design

HIGHLY recommend, all the fools on this forum need to spend some serious time watching Mr. Jordan’s stream and learning about the thought process that went into creating the classes in original World of Warcraft

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Kevin Jordan also has stated that he didn’t Raid or PvP, even up until he left Blizzard. Also that he didn’t communicate with Raid Encounter designers, so raids literally weren’t balanced around classes. Also, Death Knights being broken as hell on WOTLK launch was intended, and his idea. He was upset when they “Fixed” DK.

Also he stated on a recent podcast that “Players don’t actually want Fresh, the same thing will happen again” it’s a clear disconnect from the players that want it and why they do.

The dude may have some extreme ideas that are part of Vanilla’s identity, but he really misses the mark on a lot of things, too.

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Where is the problem here?

The idea that WoW = endgame only, and nothing else matters, DID NOT EXIST at the beginning of WoW.

It’s a retail idea, backported onto classic by a community that has been totally hijacked by the “raid or die” crowd.

Raids are 1% of the game, yet receive 99% of the attention of the screaming infants on this forum.

Oh, what’s the matter, every last thing in classic isn’t entirely designed around your precious raids? GOOD. CRY MORE.

P.S. I’m a more accomplished raider than any of the screaming infants on this forum. The difference is that I have a functioning brain so I don’t allow myself to become blind to the other 99% of the game.

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Where is the problem here?

The person who was in charge of Class Design and Balance did not play over 2/3 of the game, but was dictating it’s balance

The idea that WoW = endgame only, and nothing else matters, DID NOT EXIST at the beginning of WoW.

This simply isn’t true. WoW was following up Everquest, which had End Game, and the developers already understood and knew what this was. Just because you don’t remember back in the day thinking about end game does not mean the game wasn’t already designed to retain players at it (It’s an MMO with a sub fee, of course they didn’t want you to quit at 60)

It’s a retail idea, backported onto classic by a community that has been totally hijacked by the “raid or die” crowd.

No, go back to the forums from back in Vanilla and they sound exactly like we do now, to humorous degrees. Everyone wanted balance, whether they knew the long term side affects of class-homogenization at the time is debatable, but pretending this is a new Retail idiology is just naive.

Raids are 1% of the game, yet receive 99% of the attention of the screaming infants on this forum.

Raids are the main focus of end game in Vanilla, I’m not sure where that magical number is coming from. Your gold farming is to help raiding, your PvPing is almost always to help raiding, your dungeon farming is to get gear for raiding, etc. You sound like you quit in Molten Core and are coming back to tell people how Vanilla works

Oh, what’s the matter, every last thing in classic isn’t entirely designed around your precious raids? GOOD. CRY MORE.

… But they are… Even the SoM changes are raid-related. What planet do you live on?

P.S. I’m a more accomplished raider than any of the screaming infants on this forum. The difference is that I have a functioning brain so I don’t allow myself to become blind to the other 99% of the game.

For some reason, I feel like you peaked in Molten Core, and if I brought up parsing you’d say that parsing is stupid :slight_smile:

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I specifically raided in vanilla to obtain better gear for PvP. I would not have joined a raiding guild otherwise.

Many others had the same point of view.

Even the ex - Death and Taxes tank and raid leader from my classic guild had this PoV during Classic.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I have several extremely casual RL friends who simultaneously enjoyed playing classic and also never reached level 60. I know two players in particular who have played the game for 16 years and have never once set foot in a raid.

You’re totally blinded to the rest of the game by your hyperfocus on raiding, and it’s sad to watch. Players with your perspective, and developers with your perspective, have been instrumental in turning retail WoW into the abomination which it is today.

Your efforts to do the same to classic should be opposed vigorously.

I parsed 99s throughout classic. More importantly, I consistently topped damage and uptime on trash, which I take pride in doing vs. the average meter-padding parse-lemming. My guild had at various times the #1 speed clear on Heartseeker in AQ40 and Naxx, and always in the top 3.

I’m probably a more skilled and accomplished raider than you. The difference is that I understand raiding is only one piece of the game. I allow myself to enjoy it, while not allowing myself to become blinded to the bigger picture.

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agreed. TBC repealed the hybrid tax completely, and it’s stupid.

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I parsed 99s throughout classic

You did this to yourself, I just looked up your logs. You quit after Molten Core. Nice.

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While I agree with u I just want to point out fir BM hunters to be viable in a classic environment it will be up to the hunter to understand how to control his pet and heal the pet.

With no world buffs and possible encounters lasting longer due to mechanics. Healers mana will become even more of a shortage which means even if BM was a viable spec it would most likely be up to the hunter to keep him alive.

To fix BM they could introduce some of the pet abilities from BC and it would make it more viable.

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Of course people don’t like the hybrid tax. You don’t design a game to make every character completely OP.

In game design, you must make players choose and make their choices have consequences.

If you choose a DPS you can’t tank or heal.

If you choose a tanking class you can’t heal.

If you choose a hybrid you can do all 3.

Because you can do all 3 roles as a hybrid (druid, paladin) you shouldn’t be the best at them. If you were the class would be broken and OP. So there needs to be a punishment for going hybrid.

I don’t care if you agree. This is a basic tenant of proper game design. And this is why most of the people complaining on this forum are not game designers.

Also this is why Retail has been destroyed by whining of this kind.

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I don’t think anyone advocating for class balancing wants these bottom tiers to be the best. I think we just want them to be mid tier. I would say somewhere around feral? So if a tier list looked like: War>Rog>Mage>Lock>Hunt>Feral>SP>Ret>Enh>Balance>Ele then me and a lot of people just want to see anything below Feral/Hunter be equal or slightly below feral/hunter but instead Feral/Hunter do almost double what these lower tier classes can do and then warriors do double what hunter/feral can. You’re argument that there’s a hybrid tax also makes no sense or else feral druids wouldn’t do more dps than Hunters btw. The dps variance between specs is just way too big and I personally don’t want to see a shuffling in the tier list but I do want the gap to close more.

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I really just think everyone forgets where daddy blizzard “balancing” leads. If they duck with balance at all it’s gg. Wishful thinking from the Twitter generation. The game is fun as it was, if you didn’t have fun then quit. There’s plenty of games out there

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your argument is literally just that you feel like warriors shouldnt be taxed. Lol man yet again a classic wow boomer demonstrates their extremely smooth brain

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you are posting from a tbc character. Why are you such a living meme

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You can look up my logs on WCL classic. Was I not supposed to level in tbc so I can be legitimate on the forums? Are you this dense?

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you literally play tbc every day and in your off time come here and tell people about how every change to classic classes makes the game trash. You sir are a meme. There are classic era servers right there and even you dont want to play it. Please spare us the 'dation

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And YOU play retail.

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