Solo Qs are rough my dudes

[Clefairy-kirtonos]

@Ziryus-doomhammer

Any theoretically competitive structure that rewards time played over actual skill is a bad structure.

I can agree with this. My point is that the ranking system is especially bad due to the honor curve letting those longest playing individuals extend the grind for anyone behind them.

[Chucktaurus-kromcrush]

@Clefairy-kirtonos

A minority are PvPing for the sake of PvP

See I dont think this is true. Just my opinion, but I feel like the majority of players are casual. It’s always been this way. I agree about the honor curve. Its a very busted system and yes the gear rewards attract the hardcore crowd.

See I think what we are seeing is premades are designed to farm PUGs very fast. Often times 6-10min games and they are right back in the Q. Where as when you solo Q and face a PUG the games are often 5x the length around or around 25-35mins.

When you premade you often times face multiple PUGs and a few premades. Where as when you solo Q you often face multiple premades and the occasional PUG.

I think the majority of players are still solo Qing although it they are doing it less and less due to this meta of farming PUGS. I’m hoping this kind of works itself out when AQ arrives due to the honor gear no longer being the absolute BiS, but I wouldnt mind a Change to Qs that would make them somewhat atleast favor putting premades vs premades and pugs vs pugs. I’m not for big overarching changes but its 2020 and some adjustments (as blizz calls them lol) might need to be made.

[Chillrot-fairbanks]

@Chucktaurus-kromcrush

I’m assuming there is an easy work around?

Preformatted text looks like </> in the “options” at the top 2 over from the hyper link or just highlight the text and push Ctrl+shift+C

[Edited by Blizzard]

[Chucktaurus-kromcrush]

See I tried this but it still says I cant include links. I understand its because I havent posted enough to be trusted lol.

[Chillrot-fairbanks]

@Chucktaurus-kromcrush

I understand its because I havent posted enough to be trusted lol.

oh…I have not idea about that I was able to do it even when I had 0 post so

[Chucktaurus-kromcrush]

Finding out your trust level

Since I’ve been seeing this question quite a bit on here, here’s the method of figuring it out.

Finding your profile

There is several ways to find it. Click on your avatar in the upper right corner and then click on your character name. <a href="https://i.imgur.com/AozXojL.jpg" rel="nofollow noopener">https://i.imgur.com/AozXojL.jpg</a> Left-click on your name on any post, click on “view activity”.

Go into your profile page, remove anything after your name-realm…

Funny i can add their own links lol

[Chillrot-fairbanks]

yeah I dont care enough to figure out my “trust level”…It means nothing to me.

[Chucktaurus-kromcrush]

Oh, I’m just linking it to explain why you can post links and I cannot. You spend a lot more time on here. You are “trusted”.

[Trixxy-heartseeker]

@Clefairy-kirtonos

If you didn’t lead the ranking grind from the moment phase 2 launched, then PvP ranking is done for you.

I was rank 2 when BGs came out and I finished my pvp grind, so… I dont agree with this sentiment.

[Hawne-blaumeux]

Note this is for warriors:

The AQ set is basically outright better than the PVP Epic set (similar offensive stats, much better melee mitigation), so you should target that after R10.

Unless you don’t plan to do AQ for some reason?

Also as far as warriors go, nearly all of our lategame scaling power comes from getting Dark Edge of Insanity and then Corrupted Ashbringer or Might of Menethil as weapons.

There aren’t really that many superior PVP gear upgrades beyond those and a couple other things in Naxx like bracers/belt/ring.

[Ãnk-thunderfury]

@Hawne-blaumeux

The AQ set is basically outright better than the PVP Epic set (similar offensive stats, much better melee mitigation),

you still want to keep 3 pieces for set bonus though.

[Clefairy-kirtonos]

@Trixxy-heartseeker

and I finished my pvp grind

I notice that you finished your PvP grind at a nondescript point; so what point do you think you’re making? If someone was trying to grind to r1, did they then finish their PvP grind after 15 kills and therefore the ranking system works perfectly? Get a clue.

[Chucktaurus-kromcrush]

I agree.

I’m hoping AQ actually puts a dramatic damper on the premade problem we are having.

I say premade problem because it certainly is just that. It’s to the point that unless you want to do a FULL group you might as well not Q into battlegrounds.

I keep saying this, but I really enjoy PvP. Always has been my biggest interest in WoW. I was excited for all the quirkiness classic PvP has. This old honor system coupled with how competitive people are willing to be for the purplez is terrible lol. The thing is in this form of PvP you arent really given the option to not be as competitive as possible.

I’ll quote myself to reiterate.

@Chucktaurus-kromcrush

I was in a blasting guild for about 3 months with a lot of 90th percentile + parsers consistently.

I did go back to an old guild that reformed and has much less emphasis on parses. Much more enjoyable for me. I still bring consumes and get most of the world buffs if I can but not nearly as hardcore as the last guild I was in.

However. Solo Q doesnt really have this option. I’m not hating on people that want to bring full consumes to BGs just like people that bring full consumes to raids. Thing is when you PUG you are matched up against those who do and the disparity shows BIG time.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Chucktaurus-kromcrush

I agree.

I’m hoping AQ actually puts a dramatic damper on the premade problem we are having.

I say premade problem because it certainly is just that. It’s to the point that unless you want to do a FULL group you might as well not Q into battlegrounds.

Well this will depend on how much over lap there actually is between pve raiders and pvp try hards.

How many of these pvp try hards who are premading will just switch to raiding?

[Hawne-blaumeux]

Just speaking about my server, but pretty much all the players in the 300k+ weekly honor brackets are heavy raiders, so I think most are focused on the gear not just for PVP but for PVE as well.

And virtually all of the players in the ranking premades are heavy raiders. So a big part of it is as a means to an end.

They premade explicitly just to grab the gear as fast and efficiently as possible.

I do think that after AQ comes out, a lot of the rationale for the heavy premades that aim for 600+k weekly honor will disappear. And perhaps that will finally fix a lot of the problems in WSG/AB.

[Thromkar-westfall]

For the sake of fairness, even if the raiders aren’t ruining battlegrounds as Hawne suggests:

@Thromkar-westfall

@Thromkar-westfall

I suggest that queuing with 4 or more members should place your group, effectively, into a different queue – and that there ought to be a hard-cap of 3 players from any single server in any given match which results from queues of 3 players or less.

This would result in more intimate social interaction between players who choose to queue together into the “solo queue” field of play, without allowing them to completely control the match, due to the sense in which the vast majority of their team has been generated by the matchmaking system.

It still allows players to queue with larger teams, provided that they are guaranteed to have at least 4 or more group-queued players to oppose them; which effectively ensures that both teams will have a core of coordinated players.

Queuing with a team of 8 or more players had ought to place you into a 3rd queue type which will only fill a spot with a solo queue player if:

1. The team didn’t queue with enough players to fulfill the player cap
2. Someone fails to accept the Battleground invitation
3. Somebody leaves mid-match

For instance, if you queue with 12 players for Arathi Basin, the queue system would fill in the remaining 3 spots, but the enemy team composition would be guaranteed to feature at least 8 players from a single server’s premade team to mirror your own team’s 8+ player queue.

This queue system is creating 3 different variants of AB/WSG matches:

• Pure Pugs
  • Single players and parties of 3 or less*

• Teams (4-7)
  • One team of 4-7 players from a single server per side
  • Single players, and groups of 3 or less*

• Premades (8+)
  • One Team of 8+ players from a single server per side
  • Single players, and groups of 3 or less*

*With the exception of the mixed or premade team around which the 2nd and 3rd variants of these matches are constructed, the 3 player maximum from any single server applies to any and every situation where the matchmaking system intends to select a player from the pool of “Solo queue” players to fill out a team.

In my opinion, this is how fairness in the matchmaking system is best achieved.

[Trixxy-heartseeker]

@Clefairy-kirtonos

I notice that you finished your PvP grind at a nondescript point; so what point do you think you’re making? If someone was trying to grind to r1, did they then finish their PvP grind after 15 kills and therefore the ranking system works perfectly? Get a clue.

you told people not to try if they hadn’t finished already, thats stupid, you’re just a bad player as is clearly evident by your posts. Get a clue.

[Frosto-faerlina]

Would it be worth asking what rank you currently and historically are or have been in this thread to get a sense of the perspective of statements here?

I don’t usually care about experience, because everyone has a right to contribute their opinions… but we’re talking about ranked BGs… Are you ranked? Why do you care?

What rank are you?

[Clefairy-kirtonos]

@Trixxy-heartseeker

you told people not to try if they hadn’t finished already, thats stupid, you’re just a bad player as is clearly evident by your posts. Get a clue.

You useless clown. The honor curve has already spiraled out of control. Sitting back and saying vague garbage like “I finished my completely nondescript and noncommittal honor grind, so the system is fine” rings hollow. You’ve effectively said that the honor system is fine because players can queue into bgs and get some amount of honor. You complete dunce.

[Trixxy-heartseeker]

I never said its fine, I said that people can still complete it, if they so choose. Everyone knows the system is bad, most people expected that to be the case one again, and probably arent the ones crying about it every day.