Another omnipresent player who can speak for the minds and hearts of many.
I loved the mage tower, getting my feral appearance was one of my best memories.
I loved horrific visions and did them religiously.
I did Torghast and do it regularly
I did TC layer 8 solo weeks ago.
So tell me, how is it exactly that you know wtf you’re talking about? Maybe, stop talking for other people to begin with.
A few people? The forums were INUNDATED with complaints about Mage Tower, Horrific Vision, and Torghast difficulty.
If you think there’s a vast untapped reservoir of solo players who want hard solo content, it’s on you to prove that, because there is zero evidence of it.
I mean, the number of people on the forums right now asking for it should be at least some evidence of it… if we’re going to take the forums as an indicator of lack of interest, surely forums must also be ajn indicator of interest.
And the forums had the same people asking for challenging solo content, then complaining it was too hard. Because they were lying.
Or it was DIFFERENT PEOPLE. Bob assked for hard content, they implemented it and John complained it was too hard. That doesn’t mean Bob was lying, it just means that Bob was now busy DOING the harder content in stead of posting.
I didn’t realize 4 others for a mythic dungeon was a large number of people and also who are these people you speak of most solo players I know literally just farm xmog and mounts. Ever think maybe your in the minority?
No, many of them were the same.
A lot of players names are pretty distinct, around here. I still see the same player who threw a big snit and said she was quitting forever when WoD came out, because the Silver Proving Grounds requirement was going to keep her from ever being able to play the game. But she’s still here.
It’s possible. Nobody can ever truly speak for anyone but themselves.
But I see a lot of people asking for things like this, and when I played FFXIV I knew at least 6 former WoW players who quit because they felt the game didn’t really offer much for solo players to do… and it seems like at least a handful of forum-goers right now want this. There’s even one person who wants it but also thinks its a bad idea despite wanting it… which is a pretty weird perspective to take, but hey… to each their own.
You don’t speak for me, and BY THE WAY, probably it was a mix of all sorts of people that were complaining about TC - specific complaints related to powers or the boss suddenly being overtuned. Legitimately, I think some classes have a tougher slog in there, god knows now how many runs I’ve done of all of it, because it’s all I do now. But it’s pretty rich coming from a monk that is one of the few classes I’ve seen to cheese the heck out of it.
Anyway, your opinion (I’ll paraphrase - all solo people are whiners that can’t or won’t do challenging content) has been noted, and thrown into the bin, where it belongs.
Easy to say, but it does not align with what I see for the reality of this game, sadly.
Call it pessimistic if you want, but that would be the first time I have ever heard some one say that about me when discussing this game honestly.
Again, these players “sitting around bored considering quitting” are not going to suddenly be interested in this style of content just because it allows for no groups.
This all just doesn’t add up to me, and I think it wouldn’t add up for the game either.
I know you want this, and are passionate about it, but it just does not make sense right now.
There are way too many issues with the content we have already to be adding a new progression system just to appease people who are not interested in grouping for whatever reason.
Maybe next expansion would be the time to discuss this, but I am quite sure this will not be entertained within this expansion’s life cycle.
If nobody’s ever called you pessimistic, then literally everyone who has ever talked to you has been lying to your face. And I’m sorry that that’s been the case.
But on topic… It’s not up to us to decide what is realistic or a good idea or otherwise. If we like an idea, we should support it, even if it seems like a pipe dream. Let Blizzard decide if it’s realistic. At least if we support ideas we like that we consider unrealistic, we’re giving them an accurate perspective of what the playerbase is actually interested in. Which is valuable information they can use in making future design decisions.
And, as you say, it can always happen next expansion. But if we don’t talk about it now, they won’t start planning for it in next expansion. So the conversation is STILL valuable, regardless.
So some form of gear progression doing TC is outside of what they can do? Or a quick legacy buff for the folks that want to go run legion raids for t-mogs? I mean, these aren’t difficult things to implement this expansion.
That is, indeed, extremely selfish. You would deprive 99% of players of things to do just in order to have them left with nothing to enjoy but the dismal prospect of raiding with you. I don’t have the words to express how horrible that really is. I do not think you deserve to be an MVP but the green letters certainly don’t represent a healthy, valuable player attitude but rather a sickly gangrene infecting this game with a selfish, narrow-mindedness that needs to be excised quickly in order to restore its value to that 99.9% of players who are absolutely not hankering to raid with you.
And this is exactly why I never try and make a Tauren angry lol … wow!
That… might be a bit excessive. I don’t know if I’d call him a sickly gangrene…
But I can’t deny that this attitude feels like it’s not terribly healthy long-term.
Haha, no 90 percent of the people here say the exact opposite about me.
Anyway, best of luck with all this!
I wouldn’t mind seeing it personally, but I do not think it would be good for the game at all, and would likely be horribly imbalanced.
All that just to appease people who refuse to do group content now, would not help Blizzard retain subs.
You probably just are misunderstanding it.
I don’t care about players raiding with me, just raiding in general.
I can assure you, they represent more than .1 percent of the population, and even though M+ was an amazing addition, raiders have been through too much these last few years to just keep taking shots because people don’t like the game’s content plan that has developed over 15 years.
The world changes. Raiding is great, but… if WoW wants to survive, it might just need to change to keep up.
There’s a reason things like pet battles and transmog and stuff have come about… because new people are into gaming and want new methods to interact with the game.
That’s not to say they should drop raiding… just that sacrificing everyone else for the sake of raiders might not be as safe a long-term strategy as you’re hoping.
That’s not what I am suggesting, and there is no indication that they are doing that currently.
But adding new content pathways that make raiding even less valuable is not going to help the game at all.
It possibly will help antisocial players but I do not believe they make up any significant portion of the game’s playerbase, because if they did, Blizzard would have accommodated them already.
Going off these discussions, (a bad sample but it’s what we’ve got) I disagree. It’s rare to see anything proposed at all, outside of of a general “we should be able to get the best gear by doing only solo content, even if it takes longer.”