In FFXIV I’ve not experienced mobs scaling up. I’ve only experienced the option to scale down to garner the reward. I like this a lot better, because I can still blow up the world around me if I achieve a certain level of power.
In WoW, I feel like I might as well not go after better gear, because, outside of group content, where does better gear matter?
This thread has had three active trolls in it.(which is pretty good for a 600 post thread, honestly. Thanks to everyone else for not being trolls :)) You’re one. I’m sorry if the shoe fits. You can always improve yourself if you don’t like having to wear the shoe.
Ah, FF14 does have that option, but the rewards sadly do not scale. The challenge is there though. I do love FF14, still one of my top games ever even if most over look it.
If only they would make it more friendly for people to start fresh, more would play if they weren’t stuck for weeks doing the story line of quests to get to where most are now.
Sure bud.
Why not working on getting that better gear? You know it doesn’t come from forum posting right? Or is that to be your next battle when this inevitably never changes?
Normally if you have to resort to calling others trolls, just because they don’t agree with you, and instead supply facts and truths compared to wants and dreams… That means the accuser is the troll.
Because my mythic+ group is tomorrow. And right now there’s literally nothing to do in-game in between mythic+ sessions that actually has any meaning. 
There have been far more than three people disagreeing with me. Most of them have not been trolls. It’s not the disagreement that makes them trolls.
Getting that gear you want for lesser content has no meaning?
Why this a thread then?
So confused…
I don’t want it for ‘lesser content’ - I want it for ‘equivalent content that can be done in smaller groups’. Just like Mythic+ isn’t lesser than raiding. And arena isn’t lesser than rated bgs.
I want an option for EQUIVALENT content to mythic+ that requires fewer people.
It will never be equivalent for lesser. Think about it, part of the reason you get the best is because you manage a larger team to get it done. You want a path of lesser resistance that gives the same rewards for people who have to manage so many more bodies.
Not a valid thing at all, not even comparable really.
So you consider Mythic+ less than raiding and arena less than rated bgs?
It’s funny hearing the same argument people used to try to convince blizz to not do meaningful dungeon progression thrown around again after it didn’t work last time
Did I say that? No you put words in my mouth, like you are prone to doing.
They award appropriate gear for the content, and spouting that is disingenuous at best. Mythic scales and you get more based on what you can handle. Arena’s and rated bgs give you gear for that content that you work towards, much like your covenant sets you guys always seem to gloss over, because let’s be fair it blows this asinine want out of the water.
You want mini raids, that grant the same gear. You are ignoring the mechanics of having 10+ people having to dodge things, etc. You know for a fact that it’s easier for a smaller group to do it, or you just don’t grasp that.
Blizzard considers Mythic+ as less then raiding, they have to. If they gave same gear as from raids, then raiders would have that gear and make balancing the encounters nearly impossible since some would play in Mythic+, where as some would not. Blizzard doesn’t want people to be forced to play lower content to complete upper tiered content. Why they nerfed the hack out of LFR exploits in Cata.
Also, arenas are more competitive then RBG’s been around longer. More player skill is needed vs herd zerging.
Also, LOL at top arena players not good at raiding. Every Top arena player to this date of gladiator was in a progression guild clearing the hardest content.
But you did. You said it could never be equivalent with less people. So mythic+ is less people than raiding so it couldn’t be equivalent.
If I’m being more realistic in addressing this question… there’s a reverse correlation. The larger the group, the more difficult it is to coordinate everyone, but the less important any one person becomes. Which is why guilds can sell carries. You can do a raid with a few pieces of dead weight. But in smaller group content, everyone’s individual contribution means more so fewer mistakes are able to be done.
It’s a different skill set, not greater or lesser. Coordination vs individual accountability and performance. The best arena players, despite playing in 2-3 man groups, are typically the most skilled at their class in a pure sense, not the best raiders. Because raids test coordination more than they test individual skill. Not to say you don’t need to be good to be in a raid, of course. But there’s more room for error when you have 19 other people all contributing than there is when you’re half or one third of the team.
The argument of ‘more people means better rewards’ is really only saying that coordination is the only skill that matters.
You took that out to left field. I was talking about your raid theory. You are doing it again, you think you know what others are saying, but you don’t.
This is why people call you entitled and disengenuous. Not reading any more of your drivel, even after an explanation you try to fish for something I am not saying and really, I have grown tired of your mental gymnastics.
You want to have a discussion, prove your points, but honest to Bob, stop trying to make up ones you perceive, it’s just bad optics.
Your version of smaller raids would not be worthy of the same gear at all. That’s a fact, you not wanting to grasp that is cool, your right, but I can say it’s wrong, welcome to GD.
People don’t. You do.
I wanted to answer this with a definite agreement, however skipping to the last page I see the usual arguments, defensive posturing and nasty talk.
Poor dears…
Got on this character for this first time in months and had a decent time. Some of those quests are sooooo long! But, I usually use her to just tank content, not dungeons.
The thing is people, some persons are just not up to the type of brangling judgement as demonstrated above when running content. Anxiety issues, stuff like that or even time constraints that make them unable to give back in a guild so don’t ask for help.
I go slow. The hunter I have been maining is at 27 renown and 186 gear. (I did switch covenants…and back again) … I’ve gotten some decent gear drops in the 3 hours this morning.
Just saying that without over thinking it or casting insults or even auto-defensive mode i.e. war mode lol! maybe a little reflection will show the OP made a a good suggestion and backed it up without the least little nastiness.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
I also appreciate your post.
Sorry, I believe I mis-stated what I meant there. I apologize for the misunderstanding. I didn’t say that arena players aren’t good at raiding, I said that arena players are the best at their class, as opposed to raiders being the best at their class.
Of course people can be good at more than one type of content. I apologize for my poor choice of wording in implying otherwise.
Fishing much? He didn’t say that. I am going to be your fact checker today. Because it’s fun and well you are you!
He didn’t say anything about them being welcoming.
Here’s a fun fact, I talk to a professional because I have some intense PTSD and claustrophobia over an event that happened years ago.
When the social anxiety part kicks in, they tell you to avoid triggers, they tell you to realize your limits. That’s your intro to therapy.
They don’t tell you to demand everyone changes to suit you, they teach you to adapt and get better at those situations.
You calling him an able-ist, is ridiculous, when you are the actual one enabling a bad behavior pattern. But I am guessing you didn’t learn that in your arm chair psychiatry for keyboard warriors 101.
Disagree. NOWHERE in the definition of MMORPG does it suggest that grouping is, or should be, required. That is purely a matter of perception.
That sounds like elitist nonsense. WoW is successful in great part because it caters to all play styles. You group if you want to, I won’t if I don’t. We both can still play the game.
I don’t mind it. It has given me a chance to re acquainte myself with alts that I haven’t played in a long time. And I rather enjoy it.
That being said, there really should be a skip option. Maybe forgo the exp. But even then, there is plenty of content to make up for that.