Please add this in some future phase. The only criticisms I’ve heard are regarding giving extra rewards and that it wouldn’t be balanced, thus structuring PvP around it and making other forms of PvP such as battlegrounds and wpvp not as viable or rewarding. The thing is, the very simple solution to this criticism is to just not do that? Don’t give extra rewards, dont balance the game around it (or make balancing changes that only apply to arenas). Problem solved.
Sitting in SoD queuing WSGs at lvl 25 without anything to work towards past rank 3 is not rewarding. I love big battleground battles and world pvp battles, but why should we not have another way to get honor and rating by doing arenas? It literally has 0 downsides if you choose not to implement the retail systems of conquest and stuff. Arenas make PvP much more engaging because there is whole new dynamic of PvP and a rating to work towards. You can pretend arenas “killed” retail wow pvp, but the fact of the matter is it has been the most popular form of PvP in WoW basically since it came out.
And if you’re going to argue that instanced PvP kills the world pvp, WSG is instanced so this is irrelevant. There should be a healthy balance. And if you’re also going to argue that arenas would be super imbalanced in the vanilla system cuz of engineering, potions, etc… No problem, that’s how all PvP is in classic. WSG is an absolute clownshow when it comes to balance with different races being able to do jumps over certain obstacles, potions, engineering, etc etc etc. That is classic and no problem I love classic for that. There is no reason this shouldn’t be extended to arenas though.
As long as you add arenas the way I’ve described, I believe there is 0 downsides and I am curious to see how anyone could argue against this unless they are just not good at PvP and worried about there being a rating number that people could flex on you because they are probably better. I am a believer that SoD should not change any core systems to the game, but adding new features that don’t affect the core systems is perfectly fine.
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The less WPVP the worse the game is.
Also, check the recent classic dev update video, they are not doing arena.
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Okay, then they should remove WSG, AB, and AV from the game. These are instanced PvP events and take away from WPvP under your logic.
Also what developer update did they say this I didn’t see it anywhere?
Oh man im glad for no arena lol, I feel like premade vs premade and wpvp is as sweat as the game should get.
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Why? Can you explain how it would be harmful in anyway with the parameters I said?
It would not be harmful, just usual hate against arena players. Also post the developer saying that I have not found it either.
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I have no problem with arena so long as it’s exhibition only and grants no reward. Glorified dueling. Classic isn’t a place for esports. Same kind of think for RBG. Can have rep/honor reward, but can’t meaningfully outpace solo pug queing in rep/honor.
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In my opinion, arena like gameplay it will be fine, its short and fun, but honestly rated gameplay only leads to a negative feedback to devs respect to pvp, like all we can see on retail forums. Hope we can have the gameplay modes, but rated is a thing just to feed the ego and weak up the “elitist” gang.
Because these things exist in retail already. If you want RBGs and Arenas, you’re able to play them. There’s a big reason why the servers are so much more active and communicative on Era and Classic servers. Part of that is due in part to RBGs and Arenas sucking life out of the world and funneling players into teleporting into instances, and standing at arena battle masters. Instanced PvP has been apart of the game since vanilla, obviously. But its a lot more casual than the rating grind is - which helps keep world pvp alive.
Retail - logging into it - all I see are advertisements for “services”. Buying mythic runs, and ratings etc. Zero discourse outside of soliciting runs. Its sad. Currently in Era/Classic, this problem has been festering for a while with people doing the ‘retail thing’ and selling services for power leveling and gdkps. Fine, it should exist. But it very much ruins the heart of what makes classic feel a lot more alive than retail.
Just min/max’ing, and standing in a major city queuing for a dungeon or arena match over and over kills the community of the game
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Some great points in this post above me.
Arenas should not be a thing in Classic at all.
Wpvp is a big factor in this version of the game and Arena kills it.
Bgs were part of classic original game.
The difference why I think Bgs are ok and Arenas don’t is because Arenas are just too fast so people can spam them all day.
Bgs are not fast, they take long time to finish sometimes so ppl just get bored at some point and decide to do other things like go do professions, or quests, which incentivize Wpvp.
If you want arenas go play Wotlk. Classic Wpvp is great
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The thing you’re failing to realize, is that if Arenas/RBGs aren’t given special rewards or treatment, it will only bring new people to the game or keep more people entertained, because anyone who actually enjoys WPvP more than Arenas rather than being forced to play it over Arenas will continue to do WPvP. If you don’t add things Arenas/RBGs, you are simply gonna lose the players who get tired of only WPvPing and not even obtain a good chunk of players who would like to see something like Arenas
Also, I don’t care if it’s in retail. Classic is a completely different game in which I enjoy it’s mechanics and gameplay. It would be very fun to have small scale battles with team comps. We already have a piece of this with dueling, this would just enhance it.
Here’s the key points: If adding another option to the game which serves as nothing but another avenue to enjoy PvP will destroy WPvP, that speaks to issues with WPvP. If WPvP is better for the game from an objective standpoint - meaning people enjoy it more, then people will gravitate towards WPvP more than Arenas assuming they provide the same rewards/benefits. So the issue your describing is irrelevant under the parameters I stated.
I can and literally am currently sitting in a main city spam queueing WSG to grind honor and rep.
I’m absolutely thrilled they have no intention of adding the arena to SoD/Classic.
They should just make The Arena it’s own game, and remove it entirely from WoW imo – then they can bring that entire community out of WoW, and actually give those people the game they want to play – cause as it is now, the things they want aren’t good for world pvp or even battlegrounds. They’re even worse for large scale world pvp.
yeah would be a really fun thing to see melee stomp every caster because of how bad this game scales.
I feel like you hit the nail on the head with this part
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It’s too bad it’s made up. I ranked exclusively in vanilla/classic. I had no problem tearing apart MC geared people. Since this is a classic season, it needs an equal parallel pvp gearing system.
Does it not literally have the exact same pvp system that it always has?
EDIT: Oh, I see what you mean. You mean specifically at level 25. Yeah, maybe. They could have had a full set of WSG gear, like the helm.
As an aside, I feel like they could have had weekly lockouts, rather than every 3 days, which is a bit of a hassle to try to schedule a consistent raid group around, especially for people who only have time on weekends. Maybe they could have added a second 10-man raid with the same level of gear, and the same set pieces, but different off pieces.
Anyway, interesting ideas and maybe we’ll see them next season.
classic arena is awful. people tested on pserver. with and without consumes. still awful.
Rated BGs yes tho.
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If people think there’s even a remote chance it would be balanced or fun they are kidding themselves. It will be entirely dominated be one or two broken comps as always, and everyone except for a tiny minority of weirdos will quit playing it after a few months.
Arena has always been bad gatekept content that serves a fraction of the playerbase, they’d be better off spending man hours making more raids and world content than wasting their time on an unused feature.
Read my response to the other guy before you.
Also, who cares if BGs take a long time? This is such a weird point. It’s still instanced and takes away from WPvP? I can farm honor from BGs instead of going out into the world to farm honor. Under your logic, this takes away from WPvP no matter what, whether it is a 1 hour match or 10 minute match.
You will literally see tons of people in SoD right now spam queuing WSG instead of going out to WPvP. WPvP doesn’t need to be the ONLY avenue for PvP. And if you agree with that (which you have to because you argued an irrelevant point for BGs being justified), then you have to point out clearly why a simple arena game mode that works like BGs in terms of honor and rating would be a problem.