Yeah, well, that’s one of the old standards-- Alliance gets to be big and scary in ancillary media.
Look, do I think that it’s terribly cliched that the golden princess gets to look tough but not actually do anything to get her precious hands dirty while hopped up on THE EMOTIONS?
Lordy, yes.
And does it annoy me that Kosak couldn’t stand to have the Horde’s manly cred dented by the effeminate Alliance and that all that got regulated to books while the Cata questing experience was lopsided?
Well, obviously, I’m bringing it up.
There’s plenty of vexation to go around is what I’m saying
What really bothers me with how that and Jaina’s attempts are treated so differently. Until the whole shadowlands reveal of that possible reasoning after the fact, Teldrassil seemed to be an impulsive action to spite an enemy that was still resisting when Sylv seemed to thinks she should have already won. Yes it’s horrible, but it’s at the edge of being within normal warfare is horrible horrible.
Jaina on the other hand at the time is going on about how she wants to exterminate a people, admitting that she knows and is fine with killing children for the sins they might commit at a later date. And we go all prequel trilogy Padme comforting Anakin after he goes on about exterminating a tribe of sand people. Her fort city that was used as a base of an assault got blown up, so it’s ok for her to want to commit atrocities, and don’t think of how disturbing the mindset is to keep wanting to wipe out a people even when you’re being called out by someone who the story made out to be a trusted friend prior to this.
I mean, I’m not a fan of how they did that. But how much of the supposed lopsidedness of Cata was because prior to that the game was massively lopsided in the other way and they were fixing that (in a way that no one really wanted)
None of us are served by a narrative that makes the Horde power fantasy actually murdering the helpless and the Alliance power fantasy turning the other cheek so often that there’s probably a repetitive stress injury involved by now.
And I’m probably the wrong person to argue this point. I’m a bit too staunchly bifactional to wholely cheerlead for team blue, rah rah.
So I’ll just put forth my controversial and brave take: the narrative could be improved, somewhat.
It was also lopsided in the sense that the horde zones were pretty good for the most part and the alliance got saddled with NCIS, Rambo, Indiana Jones and other TV memes in most of their questing zones
No argument there on the improvement. They made too many things horde aggression when Deathwing was right there (seriously, why not have Southshore wiped out by a tidal wave or such) Guess I’m just too used to the cata lopsidedness being people reacting to the zone rebalance.
Also, I feel like the weaknesses the writers have with each side work to exacerbate the problems the other side has. I’m more into the horde story so this example is the easiest one for me. Having the Alliance either at the time or retconned in being so turn the cheek and not bad amplifies the way the playing horde feels bad.
The dying night elves in WoT Horde side saying things about not wanting to fight etc just felt like a scolding from the devs for playing what felt like at the time as what they considered the wrong faction. Or how having the battle at Lordaeron afterwards having the horde ONLY protecting Sylvanas, as for once there was a perfect evacuation of civilians so there’s no feeling that you are protecting people who were not responsible for the attack on the alliance. There’s no way to give yourself any justification that you were doing anything but protecting Sylvanas.
She never gut punished unlike the countless Horde leaders who are dead now sometimes for stuff much less then she did.
Cataclysm questing was the excuse of making up for the crap Horde went through in vanilla when all of Azeroth was designed in favor of the blue faction by default.
Yet you never side with me knowing I always call it out and we know why it keeps happening.
A lot of Cata and MOP’s sins I blame on Kosak, fairly or not.
And I feel about his writing the way Curse does about Golden’s. It the opposite of works for me. I find his jokes tedious or vaguely offensive, a lot of his writing sends up blaring klaxons, and generally ugh.
But on the other hand, the same issues showed up in BFA, so maybe I’m being unfair to Kosak. I dunno. It’s all rather tedious and one reason I’m completely fine with a break from The Horrors of War for a bit.
The Warcraft 3 Horde was dead at birth because was Thrall did required togo absoloutley passive, denfanged and uninvolved in daily politics of the world cutting them lose from the plot while nelves and undead still had a place in the greater picture against evil. Thrall was the executioner of the Orc race by their culture, traditions and clan behavior.
Honestly, there are times when Erevien is not wrong.
There’s even times when Zerde isn’t wrong.
We all have our pet causes. I do think Erevien and Zerde could stand to loosen up a bit and have fun with our fiction though. I think WoW is at its best when it’s being a bit dumb.
Like, it’s hard to support you when you’re right, because you’ll post something like that which is so very wrong, and when engaging in correcting it, you never seem to hear what the other side is saying.
It’s rough because I’d say about 50% of the things you say aren’t wrong at all. But the 50% that is wrong, you often go about wording them in ways that are so… Just very wrong, that it makes it awkward and uncomfortable to agree with you because there’s the worry you’ll suddenly go and turn it into some more bad-wrong.
The Horde you want is a dead end with no purpose in the story. It does nothing but moping in Durotar. Literally. All the action happen with the demigod powered super heroes who are mostly alliance aligned. Legion and every other addon that wasn’t Cataclysm shows that well.
Alliance fanatics are great in numbers and they usually gang up on the few remaining neutrals or Horde only players whenever they get the chance. So someone has to fight back.
We get a few one-off partisans that troll their way here for a day or two, we have the notable partisans like you and Zerde, and that’s really about it.
The Alliance Mains around here? They want better for the Horde as well as the Alliance.
The Horde mains around here? They want better for the Alliance as well as the Horde.
Most of us, we want a better story for all of us. The only real points of disagreement nowadays are what better means, and whether or not the game going more faction neutral is a good idea that will end badly or a bad idea that will end horribly.
You’re fighting back against the ghosts of forums past here.
I realize that Zerde posts like they’re a legion, but they’re really only one person. The reality is that Zerde is practically the only hard core Alliance partisan left on these forums. The rest are long gone or only show up very infrequently.