So where is Tirion?

So Tirion died just after the broken shore before the apparently the arbiter broke.

We also know that the Light protected him from being raised by the Deathlord. So good chance its also protected his soul from other forces.

We are talking about the man who put down the original lichking. I would think that either the Jailer or Sylvanas might be more interested in tracking him down.

Who knows? There are an infinite amount of afterlives apparently, and those we are visiting really are those four that kind of mark the functional infrastructure for the whole damned system. He could be anywhere, since unlike Jin he wasn’t dragged into the Maw by some outside force before the Arbiter system broke.

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I just find it odd that Tirion didn’t end up in Bastion with Uther considering he was all about service.

Or perhaps the Light sucked him up to the plane of light perhaps. Seemed pretty intent on stopping him being raised by the DK’s

As a note, the Broken Uther who’s missing huge chunks of himself and who’s trauma prevents him properly devoting himself to service is the one sent to Bastion. I would assume to help him work through that Trauma and forget. Alexandros in contrast was sent to Maldraxxus, largely due to the fact that his sense of duty actually stems from his obligations to his family. Which seems to imply that as long as Darion continues to do his duty on Azeroth for the living, his father will do his duty in Maldraxxus for the dead.

Paladins don’t seem to have a set location. Even those most blessed by the Light.

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And yet Tirion who was devoted to all the same things is no where to be found in either domain. I would think if they thought his soul would be of use to the big 4 it would be found somewhere there.

Makes no sense that he would be sent off to some random afterlife.

I am still wondering where Variann is.
For being the expansion about the afterlives we really don’t see a lot of memorable people in the afterlife.

We know nothing about the other afterlives other than that they exist and we also don’t know everything about Tirion.

If he valued his family and his memories like Alexandros did then he wouldn’t belong in Bastion. It probably takes a certain tolerance for (and perhaps an enjoyment of) fighting to end up in Maldraxxus, and we don’t know if Tirion has that.

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The Shadowlands is incredibly vast, and these aren’t the only four realms in it. Tirion isn’t the only powerful hero in the Shadowlands - I fail to see why the Mawsworn would really care about where he is, he poses about as much threat as any of the souls we’ve worked with.

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Well, Tirion wasn’t really like Uther or Alexandros. Unlike either of them, he spent years in solitude while Lordaeron collapsed all around him and his son fell in with the Scarlet Crusade, essentially shirking his duty to the Light, his fealty to his country and his responsibility to his surviving family (Taelan). Even after Taelan’s death, he still remained in self-imposed exile until Darion finally wheedled him into joining the fight against Arthas as portrayed in the Ashbringer comic.

That’s a very stark difference in character from Uther or Alexandros. Uther and Alexandros never wavered in their faith and respective duties unto death (or in the latter’s case, undeath), while arguably everything Tirion did starting with rallying the Argent Crusade to battle the Scourge was him trying to atone for having lost his faith and abandoned everyone when they had needed him most.

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We’ve seen plenty so far. I get that people want to see more but the idea behind the shadowlands is learning about the places themselves, not Azeroth natives living in them.

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Of Blood and Honor shows him as being able to wield the Light when aiding Eitrigg following his escape from prison aided by the actions of the Horde.

Tirion’s thoughts aren’t to his country but to Honor. He is a man who values Honor above all else including Duty!

It’s interesting how he sees Honor as separate from Duty. We see him act as if Honor is Fair Play in WotLK and pays back debts in Of Blood and Honor.

What sort of Afterlife would be fitting for notions of Honor? We see a Heavenly Afterlife for the Men of Duty and a Death-based Afterlife for the Men of War so where does a man of Honor go?

He should in the Maw, but I heard that demon hunters could see a wolf weeping beside tiffyn’s ghost in the throneroom during the pre-patch event. didn’t bother looking myself, though.
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I completely agree with your overall point, very well said. I just want to make a slight correction here, as Darion died before Taelan did according to the Ashbringer comic. Taelan was still alive when Darion sought Tirion out, which is why Tirion didn’t just kill Darion out of rage when Darion accused him of abandoning Taelan while arguing with him at Tirion’s home. The epilogue of the comic after Darion’s death features Tirion and Maxwell Tyrosus talking while Tirion spies on Taelan’s promotion ceremony to replace Renault as Scarlet Commander. Tirion says that Darion influenced him and reminded him in some ways of Taelan, and so for the moment Tirion is going to focus on trying to extricate Taelan from the Scarlet Crusade rather than joining up with Maxwell and the Argent Dawn. Either way, your point about his exile still stands.

(Ugh, the Ashbringer comic lore makes the Legion death knight campaign so much more horrifying than it already is in game. If it weren’t for the recent short story giving more context, I’d be itching to shove Bolvar into the Maw right now.)

I hope that wherever Tirion is, he’s spending some much-needed quality time with Taelan. Also, wasn’t Uther the one who kicked him out of the Silver Hand in the first place? I don’t think Bastion needs those two in the same place, Uther’s enough of a handful as it is without having another paladin to argue with.

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Well there’s enough slots in the anima gateway network for more afterlives to be brought in, maybe Tirion will be seen on one of those? Also Wouldn’t Guldan pumping Varian full of fel energies destroy his soul?

Varian died before the Arbiter went bust. Most likely Gul’daddy destroyed Varians soul, or it was consumed by the nearby Soulforges the Legion used.

But he wouldn’t have ended up in the maw, considering characters like Warbrave Oro died after him, yet Oro ended up in Bastion. Reason why I used Oro instead of Ursoc or Ysera as an example is that Ursoc is a wild god and Ysera most likely ended up in Ardenweald due to Elune cleansing her spirit. Also we don’t know the chronological order of the Legion zones beyond blizzards “This is what the order would look like if level scaling wasn’t a thing” when they introduced level scaling (from memory it was Azsuna → Val’sharah → Highmountain → Stormheilm). But raids generally happen after the leveling zones chronologically (plus you originally had to do the EN raid [well kill Xavius] for the Surumar chain). So Ursoc dying happened after Oro anyway.

Either way, there is no reason why Varian would’ve ended up in the maw. The timeline doesn’t fit.

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How many soul sucking entities of all ilks did Sargeras have under him/present at the Broken Isles? His probably got sipped like fine wine. Not to mention that Gul’dan was right there when he died. I’m sure a Warlock of his caliber would find some use for Tirion’s soul.

That reminds me… where is Varian’s? :wink:

Light afterlife considering the light qent full nuclear and didn’t allow DK to raise him.

Honestly from all the Paladins I liked him the most and quite glad to see the current team of writers aren’t touching him, I don’t want him as a ghost cheerleading Anduin, that’s a fate crueler than the Maw

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Ion said that the Arbiter broke during Legion. He didn’t say when during Legion.

It was definitely after the emerald nightmare though due to Ursoc and Ysera safely making it to Ardenweald

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Ysera was personally psychopomped by Elune. We saw it happen.

Ursoc died in the ED and I’m not really certain that Kyrians collect wild gods in the first place.