So whats the line between proper representation and "pandering"

So hunting requires hearing more than eyesight? And people who can’t hear would automatically be terrible hunters? I am betting that a deaf person who grew up hunting to the point where it’s pretty much their lifestyle would be infinitely better than me, who has semi decent hearing but no real practice. I have decent aim, but my hearing wouldn’t compensate for not having honed the skill for years.

Of course it does. If you assume that 5% of the population is lgbt and 4.6% is heteros Caucasian, that makes them a smaller minority. Why are you being a bigot against minorities?

Isnt s-posting fun?

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You were doing really well up to this point. Had you left this statement out I would have agreed with you. But the fact that your side tried to overthrow the government because you lost an election shows that you (plural) have issues with people not agreeing with your side as well.

As I discussed with someone else in one of these threads, “pandering” does not mean what you think it does.

The fact that anytime an NPC mentions love they’re expressing it to someone of the same sex means they’re checking a box and checking it hard.

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I referred to world population. The United States is not the world and this game isn’t only played in the US.

I used the commonly cited statistic of 5% to inflate the number of people you so vehemently despise in your favor.

If it is indeed 9% as you say, then there are even fewer straight Caucasian men in the world than I had previously stated. You are angry at a tiny fraction of the population. You are not much different than someone who shouts “the Jews are only 2% and control everything!”. It’s pretty ironic when you think about it.

I’m not right or left, either. Stop trying to put me in a box. They’re both my enemies.

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This just in: Thalyssra’s a dude.

Representation means straight dudes disagreeing on their definition of honor, pandering is (apparently) anything that involves a female character having power, or possible queer characters, and peak pandering is confirmed queer characters! At least that’s what I’m getting

There is no way to answer this question as a catch all because everyone’s opinion will be different. Although i would say that perhaps the number of individuals that appear from a specific group should perhaps reflect their actual appearance in real life for most of the playing population. So for instance if you were going to have gay characters in the game then perhaps the population of character that do appear that way should be a reflection of the real life since they are deciding that Azeroth has to reflect real life by introducing them in the first place so the percentage should be somewhere between 5-10% of total npc’s, just as an example.

Blizzard needs to be careful though because by placing these npc’s in the game, they are going to force those that would be avoiding these people in real life to interact with their in game versions and that will turn people off and make them leave since they can’t escape or avoid them and that can damage the game to a certain extent if enough people get fed up and leave because there is no way around having these npc’s flaunt lifestyles some folks don’t agree with.

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1/50 ain’t bad.

Do you want like an entire list of the in-game straight relationships, or can I reasonably assume you’re capable of using the same tools I am to substantiate their existence?

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Good riddance. I have a feeling if you drew a Venn diagram of “players who don’t agree with certain lifestyles” (gay, trans) and toxic WoW players that make the game worse for everyone around them, that Venn diagram would look almost exactly like a circle.

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You say this like its a bad thing. The less bigots the better. They think they are some huge silent majority, but they are not. Blizzard wouldnt even notice the dip in their bank account if they all left at the same time.

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Wanna bet? Do a survey to all wow players and ask:
“Do you want the representation in current wow or was it better before?”

And I believe it is a fact the game was better before… without the diversity hires and affirmative action people at blizzard. I would say it is proven by the sub numbers.
pallet changing main characters does not make a game better. LMFAO

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Are we allowed to add a “don’t care” polling option in this impossible hypothetical?

I think you might be painfully surprised how few people really care. And how many people don’t even know that the representation exists, right now, due to not paying attention that closely to any of the quests.

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I think that having representation is a good thing, Blizz just needs to work on creating an effective counter balance. For every Miguel and Thomas, there should be an equally dumbly written Mike and Teresa. I think players just want to see cis relationships at the same level of forefront, and same goes for strong male characters.

I can admit I’m a product of my time and I miss when Warcraft was a power fantasy where we could pretend to be buff dudes with big beards cleaving does in half with two handed axes. Now it’s a power fantasy for LGBTQ players and characters. And that’s just where society is going for a large part. I have been having a lot of fun playing Warhammer Darktide because I feel like that universe is still doing what I like about the fantasy genre. But I’ll always love WoW for it’s gameplay.

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So just to be clear, it’s not the game design you take issue with, but the fact there’s now diverse characters and stories? THAT’S your problem with the game? Where did you get the hot iron to flatten out your brain? I’m so jealous of you

I wasn’t taking about the whole the game. If you want to blissfully deny the obvious pandering then, by all means, do you.

So we’re going to play the boiling frog game, where you slowly move the goalpost until you’ve found the cherry picked scenario that paints exactly the “negative” image you want to paint.

Got it.

Numbers started tanking before Wrath even ended. You gonna blame that on diversity, too? Are you intentionally making a misleading argument or are you just stupid?