Parses are big these days.
You’re in a raiding guild and you’re evaluating a player that is DPS. What is considered acceptable?
Let’s say, you have a player that is parsing blue/low purple but has not had the benefits of buffs. Yet you have a player that’s parsing orange with all the buffs. How do you choose? Or is it always orange = better? Or let’s say, if your only option is a blue parsing player. Is blue indicative of someone who is at least not being carried and pulling their weight to some degree? In short, what do these colors actually mean to people?
I’m just curious.
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well how much of it is affected by their situation instead of their skill.
Being in an optimal group helps your parse a lot.
Getting more than one lusts definitely does.
Having fast kill times definitely does.
etc.
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Burning Crusade is largely about group buffs and fast kill times to determine your personal damage.
It’s useful as a tool but you can’t just look at the number without context.
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I don’t get the obsession with parsing. As long as the boss is dead before enrage, and people aren’t dying to stupid stuff I’m more than happy.
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IT largely depends on what type of guild your in.
Average guilds tend to suck at evaluating player skill, and don’t realize that parsing well is almost always correlated with the overall strength of your raid group. It’s much easier to parse well in high end guilds because nearly everyone is doing almost everything right. They have the right raid comp. They have the right cool down usage. They’re all using every single consume they can. They all have the optimal gear and talent builds. They know their rotations and know the game very well.
Mid tier guilds tend to be more lazy. They have a lot of weak players, and as a result make it harder for the almost everyone in the group to parse well. But, mid tier guilds probably have a few really good players in them. But it’s very hard to tell because of the way their raids are run. You cannot rely on parses to evaluate the potential of players coming from average raid groups. You have to dig deeper.
Fight length and overall raid strategy are essential to parsing. Not every guild does things the same way. Some guilds are strictly parsing guilds and use padding strategies to get high rankings. Once you know this, you can evaluate those guilds accordingly. Average guilds, tend to ignore this fact though.
If you want a true measure of skill in World of Warcraft. It’ comes down to speed running and execution. Parsing is a gimmick. MOST people can learn how to parse at a high level. It’s fairly simple. Most people cannot learn speed running as easily though. It requires a greater degree of preparation.
Overall, parsing is mostly a gimmick and shouldn’t be taken too seriously. Especially, healing parses which, are often the most padded out of all all parsing strategies, and not the optimal way to play the game.
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Parses are so meaningless without context.
Some guilds can provide their players with optimal groups while most cannot. I have run into some of the most impressive players from some of the most casual/dysfunctional guilds on my server. These people will never parse well because they will never play in a proper raid group. It’s unfortunate that some people don’t realize this happens.
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You should at least be able to do a 50% for raiding on a boss you know. If you can’t hit 50% on something you’ve done before (enough to know) and some random thing didn’t happen (can’t tell you how many times my shadowfiend just … dies) you probably have rotational issues. Or you’re not gearing right.
Parsing is a bit cheesy as everyone has mentioned. Honestly as long as you can get high green to blue you’re doing alright.
If you are struggling to parse I would suggest looking up guides.
Most people that struggle just don’t have optimal uptime. Uptime is one of the biggest factors in performing well.
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Parses are a tool to determine what needs improvement.
I’m much more interested in a) who shows up for raid time consistently and b) who is clearly trying to improve/do well.
(although poor parses can often tell you who is not trying, but that’s beside the point).
I agree with Barry here. And I’ll take someone who’s losing uptime due to an abundance of caution (and it’s hurting his or her parse) over the person who doesn’t respect the mechanics because they’re chasing a higher parse.
Look at my nightbane parses
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/bloodsail-buccaneers/badonkadonkl?zone=1007&new=true#partition=1&boss=662
The best one’s resto because I spend a lot of time losing uptime to make sure I’m not getting cleaved/tail whipped/murdered by the skeleton aura. Most of the Enh ones are green. But I think that’'s more important than parsing well.
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You can ignore 95-100 parses, these are parses achieved almost exclusively through cheesing mechanics / rotating blood lusts / etc.
85-94 parses are usually done by players in BIS group/raid comps.
70-84 parses are usually done by good players.
50-69 parses are usually done by okay players.
Anything lower is just players not understanding mechanics/their class/etc.
Healing parses can be ignored almost entirely. When I raid as holy paladin, I will always parse low unless healers start dying and I need to tank heal and raid heal.
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I think my best t5 parse so far I have 100% uptime on lifebloom, and like 98.5% uptime on rejuvenate. It adds up, but I agree mechanics and living over parsing.
I always prio beating the fight over parsing well.
A lot of good info. Thanks. I just see a lot of people mentioning “parse” a lot when looking at player performance. How deep they actually use it I don’t know. It could be a cursory glance. I just hope that most people use it like posters said here.
I love my guild mates. They’re the only reason why I’m still playing. It’s not about progression or raiding. But even the amazing guild leader talks about parses, but in a casual “oh you have the parses from the raid?” and does a cursory glance. That’s when I realized that parsing is just baked into the culture now - try hard or not. Then the other day, our leader mentioned (offhandedly) that someone might talk to person X on their rotation because they were like way under performing. That’s when i checked his logs and they were like, all grey - which made me think, if they were green or blue would the question have been raised?
From someone who didn’t play a lick of Retail except when TBC was out for 3 months, this parsing stuff is totally new. Definitely not a fan, but the replay feature can be really fun.
Well 90+ is only obtainable by people who are in optimal groups with optimal buffs, same way sub 10 is really only achievable if you die early.
50 is obviously the middle ground. If you getting mostly blue parses you’re fine. Purples are great to have, but not necessary.
There a lot of factors that go into it as well. You generally won’t parse well on early kills. My guilds first night in SSC our parses were all pretty bad, but who cares you got the kill. Personally i think there’s no point in even looking at parses until you have stuff on farm.
Also it depends on whether you’re dealing with a critical mechanic, or just free to pump.
There’s more to raiding than just parses. Also you can’t parse if you wipe js.
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If you’re seriously looking at the player or comparing them to others you look at:
Casts.
Uptime/s.
Trinket use
Potions etc.
Gear.
see above.
Would depend on the rest of their raid group. Someone parsing blue in a full green/grey group is generally playing well. Someone pulling blue parses in a full purple/orange group isn’t.
Take my Voidreaver kill this week.
We had one lock pull 30 more shadowbolt casts than me with better uptime yet I topped them out. The difference was my average cast hit 25% harder and I was riding the threat line and above it for the whole fight.
Who played better? Well even with nearly 30% down time I’d say myself due to the fact that even threat capped I did more damage.
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My recent Leo I got a 90. Not sure what I did to get that as my pet died haha. Rest were blue but its progression but i dont feel bad about that.
Key thing for our raid is people followin instructions. RL calls dps off? I stop dps. Asks me to be responsible for a mechanic? I stop dps and move out. Asks us to avoid whirlwind as much as possible? I move out. Asked to wait for tank to establish threat? I wait. Can’t risk breaking sheep? I wait to make sure I get the right target.
We aren’t even posting public logs for progression content so I won’t know until we have all the bosses on farm .
Also we just kicked the main person who actually cared about parses because they failed mechanics trying to get extra damage in. They are a DPS who didn’t kill their shadow to put it in perspective and got killed by spout every lurker attempt/kill. Also pulled aggro twice on hydros causing two wipes.
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Doesn’t die to mechanics.
70-80 parse.
I feel like that’s solid. Not great/top tier—but solid/good.
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is it a speedkill? then alot
are you wiping nonstop? it helps to determine who and what is going wrong
boss dies anyway? who cares
My parses are the acceptable range.
i am here for the healing parses