So was ret nerfed today or no?

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So you didn’t read the thread at all? Why are you wasting your time posting when you don’t even read anything? Seriously asking. I asked if the nerfs went through… not for more nerfs.

As I have said multiple times, I don’t want ret gutted. I don’t want any spec trashed. I have played many specs that have had the same happen. What I want is reasonable changes. Ret had to go through multiple nerfs just to get it inline with everything else.

It’s great that such accomplished players like yourself see other people posting concerns as whining. Should I do a deep dive into your posts when you saw something out of line? Maybe label those as whining as well? Also, why didn’t you respond to what I said though? You said I was devaluing what other people were saying. Why not address all the trolls?

As I said, I hope you continue to queue and see where your rating falls. It’s clear that the majority of rets playing had massively inflated ratings. I’m sure there are a few honest players that will keep pumping, but I’d guess most will stop.

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If the only purpose of your thread was to know if nerfs went live or not (which we both know it is not the only one), then you could just ask for this thread to be closed.

What i and many other people rightfully thought about it, was you crying that the current reset’s nerfs were not enough. And people, who were supporting you through the whole discussion, went that direction.

My apologies for misunderstanding you, but keep in mind we are not mindreaders.

I don’t want to search your responses where you have been telling a ret guy to bring some exp on the table and keeping eye on his 1600 rating. We both know you did. What i have mentioned that your 2500 is garbage either and that made you upset. NA ladder is way more easy, compared to tryhards in eu.
It was a cakewalk on this one from 0 to 2200. 60 rounds, blue geared, had no set pieces lol, all games post final nerfs and people at 0-1800 mmr still crying about rets, when, in fact, they were playing like thrashcans in all terms : positioning, cd usage etc.

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Then clearly you don’t know me or what I post. Even as I have stated in this thread.

Crying? Got it.

Mind readers? You could just read the thread.

What a weak response. So, when someone says I’m bad, I shouldn’t respond? That’s what you’re saying? You think I shouldn’t address any of the comments? I’m the one with the problem and not the trolls? Not the people who are 1k rating below me?

Again, please keep playing. Looking at the EU ladder has ret so bloated it’s hard to know who has any ability.

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This is VERY blatantly wrong and literally anyone whose actually doing Arenas across all ratings will know this. If a Ret trains your behind you WILL die. It’s not a matter of if. It’s a matter of when.

Paladin is cracked even post nerfs dude. Now go get a real transmog lmao

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Dude I was literally just thinking about this then immediately saw this post. I’ve never played paladin before and never really frequented their forums until now. I was wondering if maybe its not always the communities of those classes but fotm re-rollers entering the forums of the fotm spec trying to rationalize how op they are so they can believe they are actually skilled.

Either way, I agree with you about not seeing anything as crazy as current rets trying to defend their current state. I don’t even think Warriors defending the taste for blood stacks was this bad.

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You understand that thats like 2k in 3s, right?
No offense, but I think that that’s not enough xp to qualify you as an expert on if something is super killable or not; especially because of how the game starts in dampening.

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JuSt KiTe My RaNgEd InStAnT cAsT nUkEs! JuSt UsE a DeFeNsIvE eVeRy 1 mIn WhEn I uSe WiNgS! JuSt Cc FoR tHe DuRaTiOn Of My SuPeR lOnG lAsTiNg WiNgS! - Ret Paladins

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No offence, but most of the forum yellers don’t even have that much, even on NA.

And yea, when i was in process of searching you on pvp check, i had thoughts that you are one of these 3s only elitists, and was eventually right. Hate to break it to you, but RSS is more popular and swallowing your beloved bracket. But that is another story, lets not derail thread.

Glad that you have made it to your gladiator. But saying that i cannot judge the survivability of my class, because i am not 3500 in RSS, is a joke.

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wings are now only 10% damage like what more do you want lol

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Wdym? Im pushing solo shuffle now. I like the game mode and i have nothing against it. I just prefer playing with friends and like communicating with people and there’s way less of that in solo shuffle.

I actually enjoy that my class is WAY stronger in solo shuffle, which is the point that im getting at.

Solo shuffle is a fundamentally different game than 3s because of the fact that there are no coms, it starts in dampening, and you dont get to choose your comps. Because of that, classes that can excel independently or function better in dampening do significantly better than they would in a 3s environment.

Im not saying that. Im saying that you have limited xp to generalize the gap between 3s and shuffle.
If you were talking about only shuffle in the first place, then i misunderstood and thats totally okay.

Ret paladin IS worse in shuffle than it is in 3s, for the same reasons that moonkin is insane in shuffle and weaker in 3s.

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You know, I got bored and decided to look at just HOW many “3k” rets are over on the EU ladders. Pretty funny.

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Rets have more 3k rated players then the bottom 12 dps specs combined. I’m curious how many rets have dropped off already.

I really hope all those rets keep playing, though I would guess most won’t. Crazy that rets were 20% of the ladder. Strongest spec in history as far as the ladder is concerned.

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I can see that Ret might do like 10-20% more damage than most other specs, but if it’s double, you’re not playing your class right.

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No. I think I’m playing my class right. Thanks though. :slight_smile:

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maybe you should take a break from the game because the game is imbalanced because of ret. because ret is the problem.
Do you want ret to be reverted to how they were before?
I think hunter should’ve gotten the rework. they need it more than ret.
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I think Ret should go back to C tier - Free kill.
and then they should just buff Hunter and DH to ungodly levels again because we need balance.

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Yea man. All those SV hunters running around these days. So many!

Make sure you stop queuing though bud. Don’t want you losing that precious, hard earned rating. I mean, seriously… ret didn’t need nerfs. Right? The spec was fine. I mean, sure, it was 20% of the entire RSS ladder at one point, but hey… I’m sure all those rets earned their rating from all their hard work.

Gl with your queues, dude!

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Now that all of the banter is out of the way.
I understand your concern.
Also no; rets did need the nerf but they also needed the rework as well.
Just not the first release of the rework.
The damage is done and the trust is lost.
I been a ret main for quite a long time and to see where it is now and how It is perceived, it still needs changes. I’m actually in favor of dropping even more damage and range for the mobility Rets have been still desperately asking for and the survivability without it actually being a god.
The rework was a good first step and a bad one.
This Tuesday’s nerfs was fine and stable. Rets bleed now.
There is consistent not too threatening damage.(you can beg to differ, it’s understandable)
Come season 2 with crit changes, damage will be even more tuned down.
Hopefully the next rework of Shadowpriest; Blizz can get that right.
But deep down; I’m not sure they will.
Could be a retpocolypse repeat. We’ll find out Season 2.

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So far I’ve seen if you want to talk about skill get some.
Followed IMMEDIATELY by AWC doesnt count… ya know the place ppl with skill tend to go an play an oddly enough Lock/mage stomped out Ret/War.

So im genuinely asking if skill is the deciding factor EXCEPT AWC then is it rly a skill issue or just blatant hate.

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Honestly having trouble following what you’re asking.

Look, if someone’s first response to me is that I lack skill, then… like most people, I’ll respond in kind. Generally, if someone wants to say it’s a skill issue, they might offer up some questions. What happened? What could I change? Etc. None of these comments are doing that. They are just thoughtless attacks. So, I’m just going to respond in the same manner. If someone wants to say I don’t have skill, then what’s wrong with me pointing out they don’t have any?

As fas as the AWC goes, I don’t think I commented on that. AWC isn’t a great reflection of ladder. While some comps and specs translate well, some don’t. People play comps that will do well at the competition and not always what will work well on the ladder.

Beyond that though, some specs can be broken at 1600 and be totally fine at 2.2. This is legitimately one of the rare times in ALL of WoW’s PvP history that a melee spec is good at the bottom brackets all the way to the top AND did well at the AWC. Even if ret is amazing, there are still specs that are going to fundamentally counter it.

I don’t have any hate for ret or for the people playing it. What a silly thing to even suggest. As I said in a few comments above, arena is way more fun when you get balanced queues. It’s not enjoyable when one spec is in every match… if not two.

Ret definitely feels more manageable, but the design of the spec is still broken. Way too many classes/specs have top down damage on low CDs. It’s why the ret I faced did so much damage. With short matches, rets can go hard on offense and generate immediate and almost overwhelming pressure. Like arms, they just have a TON of tools to work with. An answer to every call. Sanc for stuns and fears. Bop for stuns, blinds, and obviously a great defensive. Lots of dispels. Freedoms. Heals. etc. They have just something for every situation. I think it’s pretty unhealthy for the game.

What’s funny is seeing how many rets are in the 2.3-2.4+ range that don’t once give freedom to anyone else. Don’t dispel. Never toss out any heals. Blows me away. They do nothing right from my vantage point yet they have the same rating as me. It’s weird. Yet, here we have a whole thread of people defending it. Makes no sense if you ask me.

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Honestly Ive said it before I’m fine with thr nerfs even the ones this Tuesday
I play all 3 specs of paladin my shaman and my DK. Just gona put that there.
Hell I want judgement dispell to be on internal at 15-30s. But as a trade off undispellable freedom.
If we want Bubble reduced damage at 50% again fine with that. But make bubble have MD protection then.

Spellwarding/Sanc are the rly only 2 viable talents out of their 10 pvp talents. While the other 8 barring Judgement dispell completely dog water.

An what my original post asked was if skill/rating was what determines people having a fair opinion. Then why when AWC is used as an argument is it so readily dismissed.

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I agree yes maybe the Cd’s need to be a little longer to give room for an opposing team’s go to actually go through without consequence.
But all in all; The whole PvP balancing in general is unhealthy for the game.

Those are the fotm rerollers.