Dear blizz, this april fools has carried on long enough.
Time to nerf the ferals and the rets!
I hope they nerf ferals and rets the day before pre-patch comes out.
Then the next day, all abilities are reset and changed to Cata.
That would be absolutely hilarious!
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Because ret was being actively avoided in progression raiding. Fury wasnât. Every class with a DPS spec had a viable way to get into the hardest Ulduar content EXCEPT ret. There was no alternate DPS spec to pick like frost/arms/sub/BM had (and most of those specs were outperforming ret in damage at the time of the buff). The number of arms warriors with early Algalon kills almost matched retâŚ
Part of this was because holy/prot are too good, so it was far better to bring them than to take an arms level DPS for an extra defensive cooldown you didnât need because you already had 3 paladins in the raid.
It was a problem literally no other full class was dealing with when trying to DPS.
Itâs been rough more than a few times this expansion for us not having a prot paladin (we use Bear/blood/blood, sometimes warrior 3rd). AD definitely should have been nerfed if blizz cared about tank balance. The glyph of holy light is probably holy paladinâs biggest offender, as it lets them AoE heal while also pumping tank healing.
The rest of the tanks can do all the content, but prot pal is the only one where you basically donât have to ever worry about tank deaths.
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Wait⌠is this dude bugging because someone did more damage than him?
Welcome to the party bozo, thats been everyone but fury warriors experience since 2019. And i say that as someone that played Fury during Classic.
Otherwise this just looks like a 460+ post long case of
WAHHHHHH PALADINS ARENT DUMPSTERFIRE MEMESPECS NERF THEM TIL THEY ARE WAHHHHHHHH
Which ⌠i mean theres a lot to unpack there.
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As always the rets never fail to act like clowns and fail to realize any argument made. None surprisingly, coming from the most whiny players.
Yup, tanks are pretty balanced outside of that one ability. AD damage reduction is in line with the other tanks. Itâs just that extra crutch that made them âsuperiorâ to most other tanks (with the exception of speedruns since pallies arenât the most mobile tank). It could be argued theyâd still be top choice but you would have seen more of the other tanks represented.
But thatâs neither here nor there. Most of the wars here are furies and complained incessantly about being on par with rets instead of blowing them away.
I saw a couple of warriors on this forum around phase 2 mention how unbalanced AD was but they were shouted down by the furies who thought they deserved more attention.
And so here we are. No AD nerf. No feral/ret nerf.
Hope the furies who complained all these months about the wrong thing think it was worth it.
Better be ready next expansion. If you truly care about balance and class rep, you will focus on the class as a whole and not just selfishly wanting to be #1 on dps meters again.
Prot wars were the ones who were screwed over. Not furies.
Yep, and it wasnât ret that did that to them.
By the same logic that got ret buffed, prot warriors also deserved something. Since blizz didnât want to take away ardent defender from prot pal, prot war should have gotten something to compensate.
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That would have brought more wars into raid comps.
Nobody is stacking rets, even with the buffs, and only the sweatiest of the sweats are stacking ferals (but theyâd stack with whatever is at top).
But buffing fury is their top prio (or nerfing ferals/rets).
This late in the game, none of that is happening. Theyâre just here to grief.
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And the Warrior class as a whole.
Class representation for Warrior has been dismal despite Fury representation holding up quite well.
Not only that but a big issue a lot of Furies cry over is solo sundering - well if you have a prot warrior âŚ
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Eh, I wouldnât pay much attention to the class rep when there are healthy specs within it.
Some have an inherent advantage just because they have multiple viable roles in the class.
If every role each class could do were perfectly balanced in representation,youâd still see almost 50% more paladins than warriors just due to having more possible roles.
Prot warrior was screwed, thatâs why warrior rep is low. If fury was equally used as it was in wrath, but prot warrior was 1/4 of the tanks used, warrior would look fine in representation. It wasnât a systemic class issue.
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7 out of 12 fights have Warriors in the top 10 of ranks. In the last two weeks at 100 parsing, warriors are 3rd. As warriors gear up, they only get better and better. No idea why these threads exist when you can see warriors easily trending upwards as predicted.
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I just sorted wclogs to 95%ile and fury is 3rd, I am sure if you could filter for SM users theyâd be 2nd/1st. Stop crying and get better or join a better guild. Theyâre strong as hell, and an S tier dps now.
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prot warriorâs problem is that they are block based, but block doesnât do anything when u get hit for 75k and block 10k of it, seems like you could just fix it by adding a barkskin level of power to it
Buff
Shield Block
Block chance and block value increased by 100%. All damage taken is reduced by 20% when you have 80% or more avoidance.
The avoidance stops people abusing it in pvp or fury warriors using it for a DR, it gives prot warriors a buff vs magic and melee damage
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I beg to differ on that. I think it matters especially where hybrids are concerned - the ability to use multiple roles in one class is a major selling point for some and it also impacts on the health of the game where one class is much more under represented as a whole.
But again, while we may differ here I think we can agree that a solution to this is not to ignore the under powered specs/roles and buff the one thatâs doing okay - thatâs an absurd take. Especially where the Tanking power differential was such a simple fix to consider in this case.
Edit: One of the reasons I believe it didnât get addressed is that during Nax - where balance was being fully considered - there was an emerging speed running meta that Prot Warriors were doing well in - bis in fact. That clouded the issue I believe and the problematic balance became more stark in harder content like Ulduar and now ICC.
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blocking 10k is massive passive mitigation?
Like you mentioned elsewhere, AD should have been nerfed during Ulduar to help with warrior rep in raids. And Iâm in complete agreement.
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you need a critical block to block that much and the hit is too big anyway, itâs a 13% damage reduction from a 75k swing and it does nothing vs magic, HLK will demolish a prot warrior with his mixture of giant physical hits and large magic spikes and they have too few tools to deal with it, they are really only good at tanking multiple mobs that donât hit hard
You canât really afford to run an underpowered tank
underpowered dps = the boss dies 5 seconds slower
underpowered healer = you have strong healers like paladin and disc to carry
underpowered main tank = the boss flattens him
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From one meme spec to another, it legitimately helps me to enjoy the game by disabling my DPS meter for most of ICC. I will say this⌠atleast you get to do damage while moving.
That having been said, I support crap classes/specs getting buffs.
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At no point was that ever true, even at their lowest playrate there were still not that far between ret and fury and the only reason they sometimes avoided them, like on algalon for a couple of the first kills ONLY. It was cause they already used 2 prot palas and 2-3 holy palasâŚ
So your argument is beyond stupid.
Arms have never ever outperformed anything.
No it did not, not even close.
So they should have nerfed paladins to make rets more easily bringable, not buff their dps to a future s tier spec that is the litteral only buff option for 3% now, since arcane is completely dead and BM is even more dead.
They should simply nerf palas ability to regen the way they do or tune down their healing. Hell they could even make Beacon do far less healing. Even resto druids omen of clarity rarely ever procs at all in ever 100 melee hits, which is funny.
Calling it pretty balanced is just wrong, cause it is so far from pretty balanced even if it is just âthese few thingsâ. Prot pala at 98.8% usage rate on algalon, but sure it is an issue that ret had 80% of warriors usage rate on the same boss, even though as i proved with the playrates, ret equalled fury in P1 going into p2.
Warriors as a whole was screwed over,
Shield wall nerf, pot nerf, fiery weapon nerf, unwilling to fix DW for 2 patches until they finally did it to satisfy mages.
At every point in this expansion they have treated warriors completely unfairly.
And you cant even argue it has, cause because of wow classic being 60% warrior players, TBC having warr legendaries and great to godlike dps near the end, there is no doubt the amount of warrs mains and warr alts far exceed prob any other class in the game. It still being the least played class for 2-3 out of 4 patches is insane.
again, tbc and vanillas warrior rep proves that fury being complete bottom rep, is crazy, when it has 2 roles and the highest amount of mains and alts of any class cause of how ridiculous it was in the past.
If you used your brain for just half a second you would realize that a spec with some of the highest potential range dps, being very high on their best logs is not an indication of their overall strength.
go overall all bosses warr is 7th after feral, fire, both hunters and ret.
Yeah sorry warr when they were scaling, held back with nerfs and not given any help is still behind 3 other specs that got buffed insanely. I dont feel the fairness in that.
like to point out that even during naxx speedrunning, naxx top 100 speedkills still had 66% prot pala usage and 34% prot warr, which is cause of the easy content and sheer trash and traversal of the raid, so saying they had a usage was a stretch at best.
They were almost half fury when the buffs happenedâŚ
Almost 30% of the DPS warriors on Algalon if you added arms inâŚ
Ret was pretty hard avoided.
Yeah⌠they were basically tied with ret when ret got buffedâŚ
https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/news/wotlk-classic-phase-2-dps-rankings-week-2-ulduar-331237
Ret was in a uniquely terrible spot for damage.
Yeah⌠no, all of the shadowmourne classes should be similar in dps with it. No class should need a legendary just to reach mid tier damage when others go to S tier with it (fury).
That is an issue.
It did not at the time of the buffs.
Not even close to.
Also, thatâs not a problem considering that the warrior class was just their DPS spec, which ret SHOULD be equally useable asâŚ
Fury is still well represented, and character boosts made it so much easier to continually jump ship to the next expansionâs OP class.
The majority of old warrior players are exactly the kind that play whatâs OP, not their favorite class.
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