So uhh... AV

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The 30 horde PUGs actually playing and the 10 afks should be GLAD they have the privilege of being decimated by sweaty Alliance premades because the queues are slightly shorter? Don’t you realize how out of touch that sounds?

And of course, Alliance PUGs should be singing your praises that they get the rare opportunity to lose every single game because it’s them vs the entire Horde talent pool who cut their teeth fighting off failmades.

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Not from anything I’m doing. It’s a pretty chill guild, and I’m happy to be a part of it.

I probably won’t jump ship to Horde, however. I’ve mained a human pally since 2006, and I’ll probably stick with it. If I do make a horde toon, I’ll look you up!

Until then, I hope we can meet in a BG and beat the crap out of each other soon, however!

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I think nearly everyone who heard about it was glad they were able to find the problem and fix it. It was a nasty problem.

Regarding stopping dodging the queue, you have to realize two things.

  1. It took a while for the problem to become visible.
  2. Many of the people who are attempting to rank up, and who have jobs, family, friends and other rl commitments spend all the time they have available for wow in the bg’s. They don’t have the time to visit the forums. So even after it became a visible problem to the pugs and to forum readers, a lot of the premaders were still unaware of it. Toward the end, when the information began to filter down, some did begin to take queues they would have previously dropped. Others began to brainstorm about ways to reduce the problem.
    But it’s hard for people to be altruistic, when it means they have to hurt themselves to do so.

That’s one of the areas that I find very confusing.

  1. When AV was first released, you could queue with a full raid team of 40 people. For some reason this was stopped. I don’t know why. Maybe it was thought to be unfair to the smaller servers. Maybe they were not able to produce full teams and therefore could not compete. Or there may have been some other reason.
    Back then I rarely did AV’s. AB was always my favorite bg, with WSG as the second. I would occasionally do an AV if there weren’t enough people on line for us to field an AB or WSG. AV was just for goofing around in - making a Shredder, summoning Ivus, fighting over a gy. When you joined an AV, you probably got into one that had already been going on for hours. Towers were already capped, NPC’s killed.
    Sorry, I digress off of the point. But the main point is, originally you could queue as a group and then for some reason unknown to me, that was removed. After that point, only Horde made premades for AV. They had the faster queues.
  2. In every other portion of the game dungeons, raiding, the other two BG’s encourage you to build the best teams you can make. “Cherry picking” teams is the standard procedure. Pugging is looked down upon. So it’s hard for me to understand, why in this tiny little part of the game its not the norm. Just baffles me.

This is another area that I think gets misrepresented on the forums. The misrepresentations or misunderstanding create a great deal of animosity. So I think it’s important to clear these up.

  1. It turns out, Horde does have the ability to make their own premades. They have been perfecting it over the past month. There is a youtube video about Horde premades that went up about a month ago. They obviously had not fully worked it out yet, because they only had a small group.
    But this past Sunday and Monday we ran up against high ranked horde teams several times. Not only did they have a lot of high ranks, but they played a more sophisticated strategy than we had been seeing from the pugs over the past few weeks. They capped everything quickly, sent a smaller group down to defend Frostwolf - And when they won, they won in less than 10 minutes. The first time it happened we were all shocked. 0.0
    Furthermore, I heard the workaround that the Alliance are currently using referred to as the method Horde has had to use to premade.

  2. Horde have the ability to single pull and kill Vanndar. I’ve read references to this here on the forum. Before I responded to your post, I went over to youtube to see if I could track it down. Sure enough, there is a little 3m 17s video explaining how to do it.

So both of these things that are presented as unfair advantages that only Alliance have, are actually available to both factions. That being the case, how unfair are they?

I personally think that the afk botters are more of a threat to the integrity of the ranking system - particularly the ones who are in high rank premades and then bot when their team is not around. Those have all the signs of either a person or a business who intends to sell a High Warlord or Grand Marshall. In my opinion those people are the real culprits who are violating “the Spirit of the Game”.

But while we are busy fighting about the illusory one sided advantages of regular players, no one has enough energy left over to make much of a fuss about these guys. Why is there no cry out against the botters? Why no clamorous demand that Blizz be more active in getting rid of them?

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God these threads are pure cringe. QQ that free, undeserved wins are gone. Blame horde.

“Oh wait we can cheat again nevermind all good forget i said all this!”

And you guys wonder why all the bad players are on Alliance and you cant win any pug vs pug or premade vs premade.

Be responsible for your own actions. No one makes you premade. You do it because you cant win.

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I have never cried about the queue. I have pointed out that why we dont let you walk over us and why we turtle is based on time in bg vs time in queue.

I actually love the queue times. It means i can sleep and not be left in the dust. Also means i can get farming done between queues or go out in the world and farm world kills while i wait. Only people i see making this claim are alliance who want to believe we hate the queue.

This is an outright terrain abuse. Sorry it is.

Again never cried about premades - actually the opposite. I typically am here to laugh at you guys over the fact that even in a premade you guys struggle to beat us.

Yep. We realized we were not getting enough honor because you guys were cheesing the win - so we adapted and improvised and found a way to get our honor. Sorry that we force you to pvp in a bg.

Funny thing is - this works both ways on the fear bomb. Only alliance refuse to play the map or recall for defense so yea…

Yet only the alliance has been vocally crying about this. Hmmm… seems to check out i guess?

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