So the Kyrians are really evil

Soooo… the Kyrians are straight up evil. They’ve known since the beginning of the anima drought that the Archon wasn’t directing souls where they were supposed to go, but they just kept on funneling them into the Maw. When Kleia comments about how messed up this is, she’s told that it’s the Kyrians’ duty to usher souls, not to concern themselves with their fate and Kleia’s all “Sounds good to me!”

But like… in what universe is “I’m only doing my duty” a legit excuse for damning millions of souls to the worst hell the multiverse has on offer? If you know where they’re going (they do) and you know they don’t all deserve it (they do), you’re evil if you don’t do something about it.

Like, imagine that through a clerical error, an entire town was given the death penalty and the cops in that town rounded everyone up and the executioner just kept on flipping the switch because it wasn’t their duty to question their orders…

There’s also hints of the Kyrians’ evil in their requirement that everyone lose their memory. Forcing you to “forget” your life before you signed up is how cults, fascists and multi-level marketing schemes work. But… if you don’t remember anything other than Kyrian “duty” how are you going to question something like sending literally everyone to hell (it’s like someone at Blizz watched ‘The Good Place’ and thought “Let’s do that, but without any of the philosophical subtleties”).

So like, good on the Forsworn for fighting for their memories but they actually get even less credit than the Kyrians because after their reunion they do not use their broader perspective to demand that the Kyrians stop sending everyone to hell!

And, as if sending everyone to hell wasn’t bad enough, the Kyrians are also directly responsible for the anima drought… and for funnelling all that power to the Jailor.

“But Kookle,” you say, “What could they have done? Without the Arbiter, who could determine who should be destined for what afterlife?”

So first off, “send everyone to the Maw” is the absolute worst solution to that problem. How about instead the Kyrians set up like a refugee village for unallocated souls in Bastion? Then they get in touch with the other afterlives (this would theoretically be before anima shortage became a problem) and (1) LET THEM KNOW THAT THE ARBITER IS DEAD and (2) set up a counsel of members from all the afterlives to sort souls while they (3) figured out a way to replace or revive the Arbiter.

Of course, Denathrius’ treachery would have still been a problem but like the anima from the souls going to one afterlife winding up in the Jailor’s hands is a lot better than all the anima from all the afterlives…

Anyway. The Kyrians are evil and responsible for empowering the Jailor (and this is why you should never trust the faction that represents itself as being the honorable/good/upright/duty-bound ones… because they are always hiding something sinister under that facade). Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

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…what year is it?

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I dunno about evil. Maybe the word you’re looking for is lame?

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You got a job to do. Grabbing people by the neck and slinging them full force into the maw. Not their job to question or think.

Just be thicc blue people…who choke us tauren and fly into the sunset. cough hang on!

hearths back to kyrian covenant

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I mean, yeah, the Forsworn had a legitamate point, but Blizzard decided to make them evil Jailer controlled servants. The game’s writing is utter trash. The devs do whatever they think is cool.

Post this in the Story Forum next time, though lol. This is a degenerate forum.

Edit: Lol, wasn’t calling every single person here degenerate, calm down.

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That’s what makes it fun, though…

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They are accepting the Forsworn and admitting the error or their ways.

*edit spoiler alert kek

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I’m pretty sure that wasn’t their take. I think it was “the Arbiter is perf so if all souls are going tot he Maw that must be where they’re supposed to go” until we proved otherwise.

They were pretty sold on the whole “our way is absolutely perfect and there’s no possible way anything could be amiss”. For example, when Devos tried to mention that there may, in fact, be an issue (with proof), she got told to shut up and color.

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You said in your own post all they know is their Kyrian duty. How can you call them evil doing the one thing they know?

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Do you have any idea how many souls you’re talking? You’re literally talking the entire universe here…multiverse even. The Kyrian can’t just up and decide to treat them all as refugees.

Evil isn’t the right word though. Evil is deciding that a soul needs to forever be damned and tortured relentlessly until the atoms that make up that soul literally disintegrate. An eternity of suffering for a finite transgression.

I agree that the Kyrian should have stopped doing their jobs once they found out what was going on…but we also don’t know what happens if they did stop doing their job. Is there a negative effect on the mortal worlds with souls not being moved on? Maybe it works like garbage where if you don’t clean it up and instead let it collect and fester, you start attracting vermin and allowing for disease and other horrible nasties that may cause life to go extinct save for the disease and stuff itself.

The point is you don’t have all the facts…none of us do and honestly Blizzard probably doesn’t either. In the few minutes it meant to think up and type all this, I probably spent more time and brain power on it than anyone else there. Because we don’t have all the facts though, we can’t, with full confidence, pass judgement and blame.

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whoa there, do you honestly think you, as a person with all your experiences and memories, could deal out fair justice? I’ve disliked this analogy for the Kyrians for a long time.

And this is why

nah - more like this:

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twirling keys, smacking gum Hun, you seem tense. I’ve got some essential oils for you that’ll… gestures broadly Fix whatever it is you’ve got going on.

Joking aside, I agree, it is pretty bad writing.

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That summarizes every faction in this expansion though.

I have been saying since the beginning that Devos was the only good character on the kyrian side.

The kyrian are clearly evil for one reason and one reason alone. Who the heck wants a giant lady to pick you up by the neck to take you places like in spires of ascension or some wqs?

Rule 34 might just apply here.

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I for one enjoy having my entire head clutched in a giant smurfs palms as i dangle while flying.

It is my one exact kink

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I like that they are blue. That is all. The story is meh.

wiggles toes

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I had no idea what to expect when I posted this. I appreciate everyone who left thoughtful responses! But I appreciate even more how quickly this thread devolved into exploring folks’ large/blue/winged person kink.

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You mean paid employee. Your boss tell you to deliver soul and ask no question thats what they do.

Even if they do what do you want them to do. All the 4 portal are close and cant access Oribos.

Also I think the one delivering the soul dont access Bastion. Like they just do Planet they are Oribos none stop.

And sinse bastion was close not sure Bastion knew but the one moving the soul would

  1. They’re not evil.
  2. Only the Bearers knew.
  3. Kleia was never all “Sounds good to me!” She was actually very upset by it and begrudgingly said, “… I understand.”

This isn’t the realm of reality. It’s an entirely different plane of existence that works more like a machine than anything else. No one but the Arbiter can direct souls. And souls cannot stay in limbo or they continue in pain, wink out of existence forever or are destroyed using magic and gone forever.

This is why Devos became disillusioned. Kyrestia couldn’t fathom what Devos told her, because nothing like that has ever happened in the millions of eons that they’ve existed and that’s not how the machine works.

There was nothing to do about it. The Bearers bring souls to Oribos. That’s all. They do not decide where other souls go, nor can they.

It’s not evil. It makes sense. Unless you’ve been in a position to see milllions of people’s deaths, you have no idea how that can affect someone. To do their duty seflessly, as best they can, they must become detached from things.

Though, it’s now a choice they have, so it’s no longer a requirement. I foresee that going extremely poorly, though.

… did you even pay attention to how many souls pass through there every second? That would be impossible.

There’s no way to funnel that many souls from across the entirety of reality’s existence in the universe into little Bastion.

Then stop posting here? All you do is bring negativity towards everyone and everything here when you post in threads.

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