So the Kyrians are really evil

Utter nonsense and negativity isn’t inherently wrong. Feel free to ignore me. I will post here because I feel there are conversations worth having. You have no right to tell me otherwise.

Funny thing is, you point out how unironically Fascists the Kyrian really are and people go absolutely nuts trying to say they aren’t. Only way it could be more obvious is if their leader was a smug guy named Benito wielding an axe with a handle made of bounded sticks.

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This gif is proof. You’re pretty much calling me crazy, which is extremely inappropriate, but this probably won’t be removed by the mods, cause multiple people need to flag the post. I will continue to call out how poorly moderated this is.

This is kind of the equivalent as you find out as a garbage worker that the garbage you collect is being dumped into the local water supply next to the special needs preschool. You know for a fact they are going to the worst place.

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Well they aint.

If you follow the story. First only the collector get soul. And when we arrive into shadowland all the portal are close which mean no one in and no one out. So the collector knows about the soul going to the maw but not the one in bastion. They only know when we came.

Now the whole thing about the kyrian conflic is interesting cause both party are right in a way. Loosing your memory is to make it easier to do you job. So you avoid doing what Devos did to arthas (Judging the soul yourself) Its not the kyrian job to judge. Their job is to deliver without making the decision.

Steven Universe?

Memery aside, the way i’ve always interpreted the kyrian is as well meaning but, very rigid in their ways due to past events. Their whole thing is to pick souls that would sacrifice themselves for the greater good so they can ferry souls to the river of souls without bias. Something that has a very good reason for existing as the archon knows full well what someone with a certain bias will do with said souls. Bastion to me always felt like a place that was well meaning but refused to change due to past trauma.

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So you think dumping garbage in the drinking water of a special needs preschool… is a… good… thing… ???

I literally picked the worst thing I could think of to fill with garbage. I will get a good laugh if moderators think contaminating the drinking water of special needs kids is anything but one of the lowest of the low things. :rofl:

Lol, wasn’t referring to you. Took that part out of context. Will remove it. Sorry. :slightly_smiling_face:

Since evil is both stupid and lame, evil kind of sums it up.

You’ve outlined the Kyrian pretty well. They are gross. Pelagos is a whiner, Kleia is an apatheic narcissist and most if not all of them are morons.

Forsworn are correct. The only thing that saves that zone are the catbirds aka larion. I love those and one of the mogs so I have alts in Bastion but I dislike it overall.

  • editing to add: there’s even a quest where you choose a real larion or the robot larion.
    Also a hint at transhumanism or just people crazy about robots, Idk but I thought that was weird.

They remind me of how things are today, irl. You have all this corruption being exposed yet so many are just like Kleia, “oh well” and carry on, all the while being ripped off, used and abused.

There’s a quest line in Bastion where you get to see how this man/npc lived and dies. He lives a good life, is a decent person and his reward is to go to the maw.
Kleia sees this, gets upset and decides she needs a rest to recover the trauma of seeing such a stupid thing.

That pretty much sums up a lot of what is going on today. I don’t like to bring real world into the game but the writers certainly have. I’ve noticed this.

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The primus suspected trouble coming… he hid his sigil, never said a thing to anyone, not even his own covenant.

Of course Dana is a traitor… the rest of the covenants anima starved, no one sought answers…

Oribos knew the Arbitor was broke, said nothing to no one.

It is a little narrow to call kyrians evil.

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its still 2020 in spirit.
but reality… 2022.

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I completely agree. I was so disappointed in every aspect regarding shadowlands. I love things that have to do with death and afterlives, which is shadowlands whole theme, so I was so interested and kinda excited and all I have to say :-1:t2:
The Kyrians made me so sad, because I especially love angels and to see them be so stupid and terrible is upsetting.
Kyrestia ends up realizing that taking away their memories isn’t right or needed.
Them continuing to funnel souls into the maw and wondering why there’s no anima is the stupidest thing I have ever seen, and it bothers me that NONE of the death gods/beings has said or done anything to stop it. (baron did save his people but he didn’t go and stop the kyrians nor did Eyir)
All the eternal ones came off as terrible people.
Also how does someone who is already dead, die again??
Shadowlands is honestly a 4/10 and that’s purely because of the cosmetics it brought otherwise it’d be 0/10

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Sorry, you wanted interesting Kyrian stories? Too bad, Devos insta-dies and we barely hear from any of the covenants past 9.0 gg

Sweet boi Pelagos is Kyrian. You are refuted.

What is the alternative?

Take these souls to some random afterlife? How exactly might that go down in such a way that doesn’t make the situation worse, exactly? Imagine for a moment if the bulk of the Scarlet Crusade wound up in Bastion, but learned that they’d later likely end up in Revendreth. Might they not just start taking over Bastion, which is already struggling with the Forsworn? Imagine Goblins running loose in Ardenweald, clear cutting the forest and setting off its natural resources to the brokers.

Let these souls remain in the mortal plane? The problem with this is that the other cosmic powers CAN and DO use the power of souls for their own purposes. The Burning Legion is notorious for it. If the mortal plane is suddenly lousy with souls because the Kyrian aren’t doing their duty, someone else WILL scoop up those souls and use them to tip the balance between the six cosmic powers. Once that balanced is tipped, existence itself will more or less be done.

Like it or not, dropping those souls into the Maw, while terrible, was the best course of action.

Incorrect. Cults and the likes don’t make you forget who you are. They make you dependent upon the cult, making you see everyone else as an, ‘Other,’ sending you out to recruit, knowing most people will slam the door in your face and act like an a-hole to you. Its all to ensure you feel you have nowhere to turn BUT the cult, that it is your only safe space.

Kyrians give up their memories because its necessary to conduct their duty in an unbiased manner. Imagine if some Alliance soldier winds up a Kyrian and has to pick up Horde souls, but hasn’t forgotten their past life. They remember Teldrassil, Theramore, Southshore, etc… Would they not be tempted to damn that Horde soul to the Maw, the way Uther did for Arthas?

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They don’t have a problem with that in our covenant sanctums.

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That quest struck me as strange but I don’t think evil is the right word for it.

Mindless automaton is more like it. Like your run of the mill government employee who has no ability to think beyond what the books says you do in X situation.