So the Alliance are just supposed to forget

[Acropalis-emerald-dream (Acropalis)]

Green Jesus is back.

Soon Horde and Alliance will be sitting round a campfire roasting marshmallows together and singing kumbaya.

[Yasudra-malorne (Yasudra)]

There needs to be a patch where the horde are like “Good Thrall! What just happened???”

The Alliance has NEVER got our fist bump moment. What the devs script as “victory” for us ended up being us barely surviving and only because of THREE deus ex machina!

Orgrimmar turned into a raid w/ our warchief as the end boss.
Dazar’alor turned into a raid w/ the leader of the zandalari turned into a raid boss (and is killed BY THE ALLIANCE).

I could probably go on, but what’s the point? Some of you on the Alliance side will never be satisfied.

When they turn Sylvanas into a loot pinata, still you will complain.

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

Guys just remember: Alliance never had a victory like the Horde in War of the Thorns…

Please disregard the Battle for Lordaeron where:

1. The Horde straight up lost EVERY battle in this event (Outside of the druid ambush)
2. Lordaeron is lost.
3. Forsaken lost a lot of their tactical supplies and weaponry.
4. Blight messed up the Horde and the Alliance making the zone unusable
5. Alliance literally captured the leader of the orcs
6. Brill got turned into a parking lot

Or Dazar’alor where:

1. The Golden Fleet got rekt badly (THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THE HORDE/ZANDALARI ALLIANCE)
2. Alliance made the Zandalari forces look like morons
3. Alliance killed King Rastakhan and LOST NO ONE.

[Spiçy-area-52 (Spiçy)]

Dazar’alor or Undercity. Choose one.

You got to understand that nothing will ever satisfy them, People like OP are professional victims that want to feel this way. So despite there being plenty of proof they will dismiss it any way they can so they can continue being the victim in their heads

[Deathmonger-lightnings-blade]

You were wrong; the reverse happened. Sylvanas burned Teldrassil and hundreds, if not thousands of innocents.

[Malefice-doomhammer (Malefice)]

I’m actually fine with all the retaliation we’ve seen. It’s a lot.

However, Darnassus being gone feels inconceivably bad, almost as bad as that ridiculous Nathanos Blightcaller ex machina situation.

I think him being erased from existence would be adequate reparation.

[Bourbonboxer-lightbringer (Bourbonboxer)]

Daz is a new city with no history or meaning

It has meaning lol, get over yourself.

We only survived Undercity with THREE deus ex machina. Hardly a moment of pride.

“Only Survived Undercity”. Dude, Horde blatantly got rekt in both the Alliance and Horde sides of the scenario. Are you blind?

[Deathmonger-lightnings-blade]

Not even close to the same. One has been a part of the game since vanilla and the other was just conjured up.
Which do you think has more value?

Again, let Blizzard conjure up some skunk-infested land for your to conquer in the next patch and let us raze one of your main cities.

To the ground. Where it won’t be usable for several patches.

[Kypookins-baelgun (Kypookins)]

Yeah, I only care if the horde dudes are around making it easier for me to kill stuff.

[Elylvannia-moon-guard (Elylvannia)]

I literally just said this. I am referring to the person who says Teldrassil as a captial city just as a few NE Rpers, )

[Droité-tanaris (Droité)]

FYI if you actually think Teldrassil only has NE RPers get out of this thread now.

There were plenty of Night Elves that would have died. Just because you don’t see them all, doesn’t mean there wouldn’t have been hundreds, it’s a huge tree. It probably also had tourists of the other races, on top of that Worgen refugees and Draenei passing through to get to Stormwind or back to Exodar. In lore or cannonically, there would have been way more then “a couple of NE Rpers”

I’m talking about FUNCTIONALLY, not NARRATIVELY. That capital city was often abandoned outside of NE RPers; New NE/Worgen Players/and if there was a Holiday going on. The NEs did not lose a single major character of their roster from that event, ensuring that they will retain relevancy in future stories going forward with how Hero-Centric Blizz’s storytelling is (and considering their roster of A and B-listers is HUGE, they are at the very least good in that area … if nowhere else).

The Horde in contrast … is in deep trouble. Blizz has a long history of loving to punish us for things they make us do, by killing off our big story characters; while having no intention of putting any effort into building up replacements. We got smashed with the Villain Bat again hard in BfA (and Sylvie is likely to betray us on top of that) … which means its very possible we’ll lose more of our increasingly destitute character list beyond just her. Saurfang alone has so many death-flags right now its insane (he could not try to be mirroring Brox, Doomhammer, and Grom more right now).

[Donalesh-wyrmrest-accord (Donalesh)]

/sits in the back of thread, sipping his jug of Alliance Tears.

Yum.

[Deathmonger-lightnings-blade]

1. You’re kinda forgetting the slaughter at Teldrassil (convenient)
2. Lordaeron? You mean the Blight city ruins?
3. And the Alliance didn’t?
4. And Sylvanas got some new cool soldiers out of it
5. He gave up
6. Brill? You’re REALLY BRINGING UP BRILL?

Dazalor?

Again, let Blizzard conjure up something that you have no connection to and let us turn one of your major cities into a parking lot.

Deal?

[Grayphus-nemesis (Grayphus)]

Dazaralor was not part of the Horde before Talanji applied to join Sylvanas!

Undie City? LOL! Lich Queen destroyed her before Alliance!
It was not a rampage against Horde in any of these places!
In loraderon, it was more vexatious because the city fell by Syl’s will and not by something done by the Alliance!

We waste time, soldiers, and we even end up like the idiots who fall 3 times in a trap on the same day! Pump fist? Sure!

[Mardela-moon-guard (Mardela)]

Usually dead and/or traitorous. If you think thats engaging then im all for some alliance leaders dying and betraying the alliance

Losing Varian was the biggest loss of a leader for the Alliance but no repeat when it came to Malfurion. Why? Because all our leaders can’t be story fodder to make the Alliance have drama.

And before BfA there was a chance for Drama when Moira tried to assert
her rule over Iron Forge. But nope, no showing any hate/betrayal between leaders. They all get smashingly along.

[Trystian-moon-guard]

have you done the horde war campaign up to the point where you have to kill jaina?

[Enekie-wyrmrest-accord (Enekie)]

That sounds fun.

But that would take effort.

Blizzard just can’t justify the cost of writing a whole new expac when they’ve got a perfectly good Diet MoP right here.

[Chaendra-cairne]

As a mostly alliance player, I think a fair amount of the dissatisfaction with alliance victories is actually dissatisfaction with Anduin. It’s time to acknowledge he works hard at snatching moral defeat from the jaws of victory. His terribly planned raid of undercity made it into a half-baked victory. His reaction to the last raid was that alliance may have messed up. Had that been Varian, he would have congratulated us on our raid and told Shaw to figure out what a cornered banshee queen would do. For someone close to a prophet, Anduin has remarkably little skill in thinking ahead.

[Deathmonger-lightnings-blade]

Orgrimmar was where we were the horde’s sidekick. Did we kill Grommash? No, we handed him over.
Daz? Again, you have no history or meaningful connection to him.
Sylvanas will never become a loot pinata (that would satisfy me, though, none of this, she turns into the Lich Queen to save the day at the last moment). But we both know that won’t happen.

[Korgg-arthas (Korgg)]

Essentially where most of the Horde will spend their next two years.

You guys literally got to raid Orgrimmar and it still wasn’t enough.