Because the novella said so.
Lol yeah no. Sylvanas didnāt left Undercity just for fun. She was forced to leave.
No alliance attack= the forsaken stay in Undercity.
Yep but she didnāt so now she lost Undercity for nothing.
How you feel dont matter at all. You think that the horde feel like Thedrassil was a victory??? No so its no a victory by your claim.
Yep i lost to the alliance and lost my city so its a lost.
No its not at all. Her plan was to beat the alliance and she failed. After her second plan was to kill the alliance leader and she failed even moreā¦
Its funny how apparently what is a horde victory is defined by how the alliance feel and what is a alliance victory is also defined by how the alliance feelā¦ They think that what is good or bad is defined by how the alliance player feelā¦
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Your parameters for victory are also not valid for Alliance!
I think weāll have to agree to disagree!
I will limit myself to accept that you see the situation as a victory for ally and you, accept that I can not see any victory, since the alliance does not have the blitgh to destroy cities of the horde!
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Once she started the war an attack on UC was inevitable. If she is as smart a tactician as people claim, she would have already known that.
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You know, youāre not wrong. But also, and I say this as someone who has played Horde almost exclusively, I have a hard time feeling like Iāve lost anything since the city and the king were only introduced in this expansion and the city is not going to ever be a major player hub of any sort. Plus, the city hasnāt changed post raid (at least yet) to look ransacked or anything. I feel no attachment to what weāve lost.
Lol. No. No more Sieges of Good Cities Thanks.
Stormwind has been destroyed once and twice. No need for a another.
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Iād rather keep our moral high ground, thank you.
Besides, someone has to stop this nonsense. War isnāt good for anyone.
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which part? the part where the horde chased the alliance out of the city? thatās our fist pumping moment?
If you think this moment is a fist pumping moment for the alliance, well I got some beachfront property in Arizona to sell ya.
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Saurfang: āOr a sovereign king. Slain in his own home.ā
Shaw: āA home that still stands. Can you say the same for Teldrassil?ā
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Honestly, Iām not sure eye for an eye works. The Horde will interpret any attack as unjustified, and theyāll treat it like an origin point for conflict. Theyāll conveniently ignore the fact that their own faction tends to be significantly more destructive and cruel, and it will always be pinned down as ābecause of [insert alliance action].ā
That said, Iād like to see a big patch where the Alliance officially destroys, completely, a horde city. None of that blowing it up themselves to save face. Follow it up with a Horde assault thatās repelled, for good measure.
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I keep forgetting Arizona exists.
So how are the beaches there?
I would agree with the general principal but this isnt your usual war where there are territories or resources at stake.
One side, the reds, are literally trying to wipe out the other side.
They already succeeded in virtually wiping out one race. This is also the second time they do this.
First they wipe out Theramore which was its own city state. Kind of like a kingdom and now Night Elf kingdom has been wiped off the map.
The other member state is Gilneas that was destroyed by Horde forces.
As of now 3 out 6 main Alliance races had their capital cities destroyed by the Horde and 2 other races had their cities and people slaughtered by Orcs in the first war.
Soā¦ logically why should the Alliance give Horde time to prepare another genocide and another attack?
They are going to attack again.
They always do.
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Could you imagine the crying on these forums if the Alliance had actually won the battle for undercity?
Jaina swoops in, cannons blazing. Nathanos is destroyed to within an inch of his life (like Malfurion was). Sylvans crying over his comatose body goes fart cloud and flies away just as Jaina brings down her wrath on the city, utterly destroying every last piece of architecture.
Now that would be an Alliance win on par with the wins my Horde gets!
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Agreed, which is exactly why it didnāt go down that way. The devās always make sure the Horde wins even when they lose.
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Isnāt that the part where the Horde fails to catch the Alliance as they make their planned withdrawal?
I know Blizz decided they needed to add nonsensical āweād be as bad as sylvanas if we stayedā lines, but wasnāt the whole point of the suicide attack in Nazmir that the Alliance did not have the forces to fight a straight up battle so they were swooping in to destroy the fleet and try and force the Zandalari to abandon the Horde, not to occupy the city, which would take massive amounts of resources to maintain.
So who else facepalmed and rolled their eyes at bfas announcement. And mutterred ā¦ its mop rehashedā¦ this is going to be awful.
Because i did. And so far i have not been wrong.
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Youāre talking about the loss of something that you just learned about, from a people who just became horde so the Alliance can win something.
How about the Alliance winning something ESTABLISHED and REAL?
Seriously, what if Blizz came up with a new race the next patch just so you could win against them. You donāt even KNOW THEM.
It was only a stump.
But I got you guys this ficus.
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Horde are so condescending but the fact is that the Devs had to create Blood Elves for a third of you to even stomach the side.
Why go for extremes? The Undercity battle COULD have been our fist pump moment but the Devs couldnāt let it.
Sylvanas didnāt have to die or even be captured. But she should have been hurt and the Alliance only won because of THREE Deus Ex Machina.
Hardly something to gloat about.
We SURVIVED Undercity.
Sylvanas DESTROYED Teldrassil, a clear victory on her part.
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