So the Alliance are just supposed to forget

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You caught me!!:rofl:

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You have Lor’themar teaming up with the one that locked up his people unjustly. Can we demand payback too or we should roll with it and pretend it didn’t happen like Blizzard is?

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I mean if i played a BE, i would totally request an option in doing so. The shtick of ‘play along with it’ is kind of lame.

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It would make sense, but what can you do. When Alliance does something awful, it’s always forgotten in a patch or two. In the other hand, you can see Alliance NPCs bringing up every single past horde wrongdoings as if they had a powerpoint presentation ready to go in their brains.

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I’d argue it’s because NPCs on the Alliance see it in the similar fashion Alliance players have in that we are general being responsive to an act of Horde aggression.

Blizzard displays Alliance aggression via Horde story progression a lot of the time. The only real time that i remember experiencing the Alliance doing something extremely questionable was with Skyadmiral Rogers with the fleeing Orcs and the recent Dark Iron goblin bowling.

Blizzard just keeps feeding the, other side perspective, but it seems to just hurt ther narrative.

A good example is the Vulpera world quest. Alliance aren’t setting them on fire, for Horde we are. It makes sense that Alliance don’t feel awful because Blizzard only giving Alliance the Alliance perspective.

They probably should have give us the option of doing either scaring the Vulpera and torching them. At least then we know the other side of what’s happening to the Vulpera.

For Rogers and the Dark Iron scenario, we absolutely know we did it because we, as the PC, experienced it. The Vulpera, well, we don’t know. At all.

Tinfoil, it’s a conspiracy I tell ya!

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If the Alliance didn’t attack, and evade every single trap of Sylvanas…would Undercity still be blighted and gone?

Tough when the Alliance High King isn’t physically allowed to (per lore) do something bad.

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Tyrande was setting a good precedent that the Alliance is not like the Horde in terms of loyalty. We also had Dark Iron… doing well…Dark Iron things, which is nice.

Like i was talking to Midare about. We just need more Alliance scummy welfare being reflected within the Alliance story. We do things, but it’s reflected only in the Horde story a lot of the times. Which is lame.

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Are you blaming the alliance for Sylvanas’ actions? The alliance could have taken it without it being destroyed. That would have been a partial victory. The alliance could also have taken it and killed sylvanas, that would have been a full victory. Instead they invaded and got nothing.

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yea because alliance sacked dazar alor for no reason and under city so i think the horde owe the alliance one to be even.

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I am saying the Alliance actions directly led to Sylvanas. Sylvanas knew she lost Undercity. Completely.

So she took the stance of “If I can’t have it, no one can”. She took this stance because the Alliance completely, and utterly defeated her.

When you force your enemy to retreat, you typically won.

The Horde didn’t take the Tree. Yet thats considered a full victory…no?
Taking it and killing Sylvanas wasn’t even in the realm of possibilities.
Forcing your opponent to retreat, after escaping every trap designed to kill you, and denying your opponent a major city is definitely a win.

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Mostly because

  1. The horde leader ordered that outcome. And
  2. Because the horde at undercity suffered a tiny fraction of casualties compared to the alliance at teldrasil.

Edit: actually, darkshore and teldrasil. It’s implied that the horde wiped out most, if not all, the villages in darkshore.

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I’ve been exalted with the Zandalari since Vanilla, they just forgot what I looked like I guess. The faction is not new.

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It was a dishonorable, preemptive strike, when they should have been going after Sylvanas.

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A gnome with a TV remote just blew up over half of the entire Zandalari “legendary fleet”(bur).

A gnome. A remote.

That has to be something that the Horde will feel for years to come.

I will not stop mentioning it at every possible opportunity at that.

Not to even mention how we killed the Zandalari’s king, Jaina completely humiliating the Horde at the Siege, and stealing back the Tidesage’s wand and using it against the Horde and Zandalari in their own home turf.

If Azshara crashes through and hurts our Kul Tiran fleet a bit it’d rob the Horde of yet another personal victory.

Let alone if we (hopefully) kill that slobber-mouthed half-of-a-half witted Rexxar.

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You’re the boring faction.

You’ve been boring since classic, how is this a surprise to you?

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Tirisfal being destroyed hurts 100x more than UC being destroyed.

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they need better writers for both sides, i agree. i think a lot would be better if the writing team was switched out. i obv play both horde and alliance. so i would like to see both improved.

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Agreed. I don’t consider myself an amazing writer and have yet to get a big title published (just some short fiction and worked on some games), but even I feel I could do better for both sides.

The last good, complex storyline they did was for Illidan. And even that wasn’t executed as well as it could have been. The also dropped the ball with Altruis and Fandral.

Crafting a complex storyline for an entire faction can be tricky, but at the same time, with so many different leaders, it has a ton of opportunities.

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if alliance focused more on races beyond just humans and friends i think most people would be a lot happier. or even if they made anduin less… anduin… and he actually did something cool for once that would be better as well.

i won’t even touch horde because apparently there’s only one story line they can get. -.-

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I mean… the red side wasnt really upset by Varian dying either? So its not like some Alliance only thing.

Plus, voljin can stick around forever now in his new spooky form if they want but Varian is just gone.