You misunderstand me when i say we don’t have an investment in the shadowlands. We have one now because we understand the scope of the shadowlands that we didn’t know before amd we are aligned in defeating the jailer. We are, however, not necessarily invested on the shadowlands returning to what it was before the arbiter was hurt. We might even have more of an investment now in changing the shadowlands to something different after we understand the scope of things.
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I think the point being made by Erghog is that since we’re very unlikely to be visiting the Shadowlands again, the stories actually rather free to make big changes. Because we won’t ever have to address the consequences in the Shadowlands once we leave.
Once we get back to Azeroth in 10.0, the story’s going to care what’s going on in Revendreth or Ardenweald. We’ll be dealing with Azeroth’s problems again.
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None of the souls in revendreth had attempted to free the banished one and destroy the entire system of the SLs.
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No that there is a definite chance that each of the covenants will try to turn who I am into something they want me to be. Like, there is no question about this. If you end up in Bastion, they will strip you of all memories and form and turn you into a kyrian effectively true deathing you. If you end up in maldraxxus and unless you’re literally a special character, you will become fuel for the war machines. To revendreth you will be tortured until you reach atonement whatever that means to them. And to ardenweald where you will tend to the wilds for all eternity. You aren’t you anymore in any of these situations because you have no choice to pick otherwise.
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World Reaper in Revendreth says hi. Point is there are people who did worse and still got a redemption. Or at least were allowed try and redeem themselves
And what’s wrong with tending to the souls of wild gods and loa from across the multiverse? I admit I am a bit biased because I like the zone so much.
On that, I agree. And we don’t.
Thanks to us, Bastion is learning that perhaps wiping out memories isn’t exactly necessary to complete their duty.
Revendreft is on it’s way to actually rehabilitate souls again instead of just keeping them around to farm anima.
Maldraxxus will likely have all the Houses united like they never have been before to defend the Shadowlands even without the Primus.
And Ardenweald…I actually don’t know I guess they just go back to tending to nature spirits?
I don’t see us tearing the whole thing down and making it a free for all or something like that.
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World reaper killed their worlds population, it wasn’t an attempt to free Zovaal nor was it an attempt to fundamentally destroy the afterlives. Not saying the world reapers crime isn’t heinous but my point stands, Syl crossed a bridge that spans eternity.
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Because in all of these afterlives, there is no choice to stop and do anything else besides what they have deemed for you.
There is an interesting quest for the kyrian storyline where you tag along with them to bring a soul into the shadowlands. You play through part of his life right before he dies. His abilities are a shotgun and a shovel and I think you get a third one for eating a sandwich his wife provides to him but that disappears after you eat the sandwich. The scourge invade and he sacrifices his life defending his family. He goes to bastion. In bastion, he will have his memories wiped and his form reshaped into that of a kyrian. He did not know of the shadowlands before but had he known, do you think this character would feel accepting of having his memories wiped of his family?
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I rewatched the arbiter cinematic and it only says that souls were delivered to whichever realm they “justly deserved”. I feel like there could be a lot of leeway in whether or not that means souls would go where they’d actually want to end up (especially since almost nobody would want to go to Revendreth to be tortured). And it also requires that you implicitly accept that the game’s declaration of “justly” to be correct.
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Probably not, but the kyrians also don’t rush people to ascend. Some souls take EONS to accept their place in Bastion. Thst’s the whole point of the various temples. To ease you into the process.
TBH I don’t think she wants to pick her own afterlife, but in any case I don’t agree with picking your own afterlife.
I’m 100% sure that will not happen as well.
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We also don’t knowif a soul at the end of those eons a soul doesn’t want to ascend in Bastion, or fight forever in Maldraxxus, they weren’t allowed to leave.
Unless I’m mistaken people couldn’t leave before we got there because the portals were all down due to anima shortages. But before that, it’s entirely possible that people could go back to Oribos.
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Maldraxxus does have a sort of retirement plan that after a certain amount of years, you’re allowed to move on to another afterlife. How that works is beyond me though.
Just because they don’t rush you to ascend, that doesn’t make the situation better. If i tell you that you have to run 10 miles even though you don’t want to but i say, well you have all the time you need, while simultaneously siphoning off your memories and personality, if after 100 years you run the 10 miles, that doesn’t mean you want to run the 10 miles. it means you’re effectively no longer existent and i replaced you with a being that wants to run 10 miles. And if you didn’t, if you still held on to your personality and memories, you become exiled and marked for containment.
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Your missing the point of Bastion, the people who get sent there, WANT TO SERVE. It’s something they spent their entire doing while alive. Being in service to others, for the greater good. Farmer Joe isn’t going to Bastion because he died protecting his family.
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Let’s entertain this. Farmer joe wanted to defend his family. Where does he go?
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Since there are a INFINITE number of afterlives? Any of them but bastion.
I kinda coasted through Bastion so I can’t recall; is it specifically said that only people who would want to serve there end up going there? I thought it was more along the lines of people who would be likely to do it, whether they wished to or not.
It reminded me of the scene in Legion where paladins stop the DK player from raising Tirion; their logic is that he’s already given up everything in life in service, and that he’d accept being raised only of guilt and not because he’d actually want to keep going.
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And to his family, where do they go? Also, there might be infinite realms but every one of them is ruled by one of the four covenants.