So sylvanas wants people to be able to choose their afterlife?

Hear flipping hear!

I hope we end Shadowlands knowing that the afterlife system has completely changed for the better. I also would be pleased if the Paragons are all fired and replaced along with the Arbiter.

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The only thing I can see happening is Sylvanas realizes she was duped and sacrifices herself to defeat the Jailer and undo the damage she done.

Maybe but I hope they don’t resolve the shadowlands with “and then with the defeat of the jailer, everything went back to being as they were.”

I mean, aside from the actual changes that will likely happen in Revendreft (Become less torture happy) and Bastion (become less memory wiping happy), that’s likely whats going to happen.

What other option is there? Honestly? The shadowlands should go back to normal, the odds of us visiting it again while alive is slim.

Literally anything is better than that.

I don’t want to go back to fallible beings in charge of Shadowlands. They could leave it mysterious and without details for all care.

Whether we visit the shadowlands ever again does not come into the question of what should or could happen to the shadowlands. What could happen? A lot could happen. We’re 45 days into an expansion. BFA lasted for 2 years.

That has nothing to do with what I just said. At all. I said it should go back to normal. I’m well aware how long that trash of a expac lasted

Why should it go back to normal?

Because we’re there to fix it?

Sometimes fixing something means changing it so that it’s different than it was before. Not merely returning it to the status quo.

We’re not though. We’re there to get back our leaders and close the rift between the two planes. We have no investment going into the shadowlands for it to return to what it was before. If the shadowlands became something entirely different then what it was before, it would mean all the same to us. After arriving, our goals might’ve aligned with the covenants in the moment because we also want to stop the jailer from destroying azeroth but if the jailer is defeated and the shadowlands became something different, it would mean all the same to us.

True, I guess my point is, no one should expect a drastic overhaul of the systems in place. I can see them putting better safeguards in place so what is currently happening doesnt happen again.

Not it wouldn’t. Because if we don’t fix the problems, guess what? Your soul is still going to go to super hell. We’re also there to fix the 4 major convenants so they properly do their jobs

I want it tho. It needs to be super drastic.

I’m hoping it ends with reinstating the Jailer to his original role once he snatches his heart back from the Arbiter.

This is something people tend to bring up here which is, factually incorrect with Warcraft.

While we tend to go things for a specific task or job, we tend to stay because we do become invested in the place and it’s outcome for the future.

Our actions will likely lead to a different Shadowlands than the one we found, but don’t think this means we’re fundamentally turning the whole thing on it’s head. There will likely still be Covenants, and there will likely continue to be an Arbiter tossing souls into their respective afterlives. Bastion will still exist to bring people over the veil. Maldraxxus will still be the standing army for the Shadowlands. Ardenweld will be able to just tend to nature spirits without culling everything, and Revendreft will go back to actually rehabilitating souls instead of just farming anima from them.

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You said it better than I did. Thanks :gift_heart:

I’m preeetttty sure we’re not going to let the guy who is trying to eat the soul of our planet, back into a position where he can continue to funnel power into himself to eat the soul of our planet lol.

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The shadowlands doesn’t have to return to what it was for our souls to not go to the maw. Like, in theory, the Kyrians can right now just stop ferrying people to the maw. They won’t because they think they’re incapable of it and have been too programmed to believe that what they were before is all they can ever be. And fix is a very loose term. What you’re proposing is for us to return to what was normal before the arbiter got hit and that would be fixing it. What I’m proposing is that even before the arbiter was hurt, that the system was not good. And that if we were to make it a better system at the end of all this, it should not be the one it was before. Of course the blizzard writing team can take it anywhere but we’re just talking about what we think should happen.

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So, you want what sylvanas wants, to tear the whole system down because there’s a slight chance your soul ends up in a afterlife you didn’t get to pick?