Everyone dies. that’s the nature of change. Presumably unless the victim deserves otherwwise, they’re going to the afterlife realm where they belong.
Following your logic if someone dies because of your accidental mistakes, You should be sent to the Maw with no hop of reprieve.
Likely Revendreth for a short bit, or if there’s an unseen afterlife that’s basically therapy for forcefully broken people, there. Because she was really only a bad person after experiencing heinous, soul rending amounts of trauma.
e: It’s a bit crazy to me that Jaina gets a pass to go genocide-happy because a bunch of buildings and two wizards died, but when there’s a whisper of a hint that there might still be good in Sylvanas, someone who died in service to her people and was literally broken by soul-crushing torture by arthas, people lose their minds.
And yet again, you miss the point. Those good and kind undead are extremely rare. Most are bitter about their life and what they turned into and have most of the good emotions completely stripped from them. The vast majority of undead can’t even feel anything resembling a good feeling. They’re literally incapable of it
Everyone is destined to die of natural causes, not to be explicitly murdered.
What about crimes that aren’t inevitable like torture?
Not really because motive factors into all ‘afterlife judgement’ even RL judgement. It’s very rare if possible at all for anyone convicted of accidental manslaughter to be given the death sentence for example.
My general rule of thumb is that if you have knowingly killed an innocent person and within 1 minute (to account for shock/unaware if you’re dreaming or not) you don’t feel guilty/wish you could immediately undo what you did you then you deserve to suffer eternal punishment.
There are different degrees, some undead are exactly the same as they were in life, those undead should not get a free pass because they suffer from a skin condition. On the other hand someone that has saved women, children and kittens their whole life gets resurrected and begins doing some evil stuff isn’t likely suffering from a skin condition. If you can barely recognize a character after they’re resurrected then they probably don’t have a skin condition.
You describe death knights like the ebon blade to a t. Yet they, continously, work to make the world a better place for everyone, expecting neither gratitude nor glory. I will hold all undead to that standard. Or at the very least to the standard where they aren’t actively harming others simply out of their bitterness.
There are undead who had it as bad as Sylvanas who rose above it, who still tried to do good even after what happened to them. That is the standard we should hold them to.
Sylvanas is maw bound, she literally aided in upsetting the cosmic order and sent innocent souls from the 4th War, Night Elves, Horde, Alliance and others who died, to omega hell. Do you guys really think a fully functional Arbiter will ignore this, and other post Scourge freedom actions she’s taken? Developing and using the Plague? Brutalizing Gilneas, raising undead servants like Arthas did to her, torture, and mass murder?
Blizz would have to ignore 10 years of this character’s history AND recent crimes in the afterlife affecting countless souls. That would be a reversal far exceeding the infamous Grommash resolution. A moment of doubt as she’s literally retracing Arthas’s steps is not a sure fire sign of a grand redemption plot.
There hasn’t been anyone tortured like Sylvanas. Name one undead that was specifically tortured like she was by Arthas. Go head, I’ll wait.
I recommend reading the Rise of the Lich King book, just so you grasp just how unique Sylvanas turn into a Banshee was.
I’d think that the only other ones that got the Sylvanas treatment are the other dark rangers, because of that whole “Arthas liked it so much it practically became his fetish” moment in the book. Boy was that excerpt an eye opener.
Arthas specifically broke Sylvanas via horrifying torture in WC3 for her “crime” of trying to stop him.
little different than what happened to your average forsaken.
It really was. And that’s why I think people like Morg, don’t or can’t grasp just how badly Sylvanas was tortured. The book literally beats you over the head that her being raised into a banshee in that matter never happened before.
He made it so she felt the death of every single one of her kin while Arthas and his army marched through Quel’thalas, the pain was so much that as they got closer to the Well, she unleashed a Banshee Wail that killed even more people
As much as the DKs are the paragons of good and right, everyone isn’t resurrected in the same manner as the DKs nor does all the undead have the same level of care as the DKs. I really don’t know any other way to explain it to you.
Edit: you are basically saying look at these guys that’s given a raw deal, they are the standard. Screw those guys that had an even rawer a deal, they should be able to unlive life to the same standards
And you are certain, without a doubt, that Sylvana’s treatment weren’t simply like every other Banshees? Because there’s a lot of them floating around, and several are actually quite decent.
And how would you portray this in game, without it simply becoming a way to absolve every undead who rightfully deserves to go in to Revandreth, or even the maw? Because I can think of a lot of them, and portraying the regret necessary would frankly be a miracle.
And i’m not even talking about Sylvanas yet. Her regret would require her to shoulder the weight of every sin she has ever commited, every life she has ruined. That weight would crush her, and destroy her mind out of sheer guilt. Forever tormented by the sins of her past.
That’s the level of regret required to even begin her redemption. And there simply isn’t enough time in this expansion to show that, at least not in an honest way.
I’ve already stated : )
I would have made it so no one is judged for any action after getting the Curse of Undeath. I think it’s fair and easy.
The afterlife you were destined for before becoming cursed is the one you will return to.
Absolutely not, under any circumstance.
Well whatever. You know how much of a slap in the face that would be to all those who the Forsaken, and Sylvanas, have hurt. Yet you suggest it. I guess there is no point in continuing this discussion further.
Your solution to just damn every forsaken and undead to Maw for Insert Reason here is just as gross. But lets just forget it. You see Sylvanas as the worst thing since Hitler and most of us see her otherwise.
She’s a tragic character if anything.
You are blind. I have said that as long as there is regret in their hearts over the deeds they have done, the Arbiter will recognize that. But for those who feel nothing, or even happiness at the thought of hurting others simply because, even after being freed from the curse, their destination is revandreth or the maw.
Hasn’t Before the Storm proved otherwise?
No. Not really, there’s always been a small minority who wanted to get back with their families. The majority have been shown to have moved on
Sounds like the hell in Lucifer.