So Season 4 is

[Sylina-moon-guard]

Jesus christ, the complaining here is so hilarious.

“We want old content and raids to be relevant!”

Blizzard tries to do something new to make older stuff relevant, and now you guys are just whining?

Timewalking doesn’t count either. Because the challenge there is negligible and the gear is awful. Bringing back older dungeons and raids that drop decent stuff, that last longer than a week, and are changed in a way to feel fresh is 10000000x better than any damn timewalking slog fest.

“We hate content droughts!”

Okay, here’s something to tide you over. If you don’t like it, well, that’s a different, actually reasonable point. It looks like this new season will touch on PVP, M+, and Raids, so that should at least give some of the playerbase something to do. If they added more questing content, and made leveling even easier before the 10.0 pre-patch, with some Legion-invasion like events, even better.

And I don’t get this complaint either.

@Brewa-hyjal

A guild that stops raiding is a guild that dies. A lot of guilds are not going to want to re-do the same 3 tiers we all just did. So they’ll stop raiding, and die, and then there won’t be nearly as many guilds next expansion.

Long-term, stable guilds are not only important, they’re irreplaceable.

As opposed to what? Getting CE after 6 months and then breaking 6 months until the next expansion? Every guild stops raiding during the patch at some point, and everyone knew this patch was going to last a year, if not longer. We are looking at 12-16 months on 9.2 and 9.2.5.

How is fresh raid content a bad idea? If your guild doesn’t want to raid, or wants to switch into low-gear, just… do that? Or… run one of the raids? We don’t know how this system will work, what the affix is, or if the gear will be worth it. It could be some amalgamation of bosses from all three raids like some sort of boss rush.

[Jessail-terenas (Jessail)]

@Brewa-hyjal

I don’t give a damn about the world races. I care about the other 99% of Mythic raiding guilds.

Season 4 is going to destroy a large number of them. People either aren’t going to want to do the 3 raids they just did all over again, and/or they aren’t going to want to do a 31-boss raid tier.

Include the heroic guilds in there too. I don’t object to the affix idea, heck I’ve even bandied it about myself. But always as something in tier for post AOTC silliness. Never as a serious option.

But lacking new content I think it’s going to be hard to hold guilds into any semblance of schedule as people get bored and move on to other things. So I share this concern as well. I’d almost prefer a series of small one boss raids instead. They can release the affix system for 10.0.5 after most people have gotten their T29 AOTC.

@Battlemaster-stormrage

Although adding a timer to earn the CE could be interesting (not saying they should, just that full run completion time counting for CE/mount is the closest they’d probably get to making raid+ like the m+ timer )

Can you imagine how much rage there would be if they just got rid of lockout extensions and required re-clear every week like their competitor does? (TBF FF14 only has four bosses per tier)

[Battlemaster-stormrage]

Your raid parses give you a raid IO score and you have to have a certain IO to unlock the mount come to think of it there are so many things blizz could do to cause complete outrage

[Jessail-terenas (Jessail)]

Or require all players in the raid must have cleared the prior boss that week on that character to be eligible to kill the next boss?

[Pyri-shadowsong]

@Sylina-moon-guard

Jesus christ, the complaining here is so hilarious.

“We want old content and raids to be relevant!”

Blizzard tries to do something new to make older stuff relevant, and now you guys are just whining?

when GD says they want old content to be relevant, they mean they want to be able to run old content unchanged for current top-ilvl gear

why bother progressing on new/different fights if you can just clear MC every week (flex, of course) for 278/285 gear?

[Jessail-terenas (Jessail)]

@Pyri-shadowsong

when GD says they want old content to be relevant, they mean they want to be able to run old content unchanged for current top-ilvl gear

Nah… I’d settle for tmog and currency personally.