Ret chunked through pact and unending resolve easy as
Nurfs will come within a reset or two.
I think…
Nurfed/Nurfing several specs that were not exactly crushing. Ret will get slapped with one soon.
Yes we are paper in many lobbies and yes caster lobbies are about as lopsided as WoW can get, but the abilities are just hitting to hard.
As much as I love killing one of those casters with a big burst after being abused for a full minute by two of them, I can’t say it’s great gameplay. On either side of that fight BTW. One side of that equation is an easy fix and I see that happening first.
It’s on the radar now, the patch notes apparently changed community perception of radiant decree despite the fact that it didn’t get buffed.
I’ve been nailing people with Radiant Decree for most of the season, literally not one peep out of the players. Now almost every match I hear about it from my fellow players.
I’ll pop my Paladin wings and pray we get some defensive/mobility rework soon after. I’m afraid I’ll just get kited by the Blizzard though.
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This, people were complaining that ret is too weak even after Ret Paladin won the first official Blizzard solo shuffle competition.
The class attract the biggest crybabies/victims only rivaled by the Shaman playerbase.
Yes, no one said we were terrible into melee. The rogues/warriors farmed out the casters/range and the Ret played into mostly melee.
It’s not even relevant.
Winning a solo tournament last expansion with those builds has no relevance to what the game is today. Do we have more talents? Are we just not using those extra talents? Were there no balance passes in the entirely new Xpac?
I guess we can go back to when Destro locks just sat in the middle of the arena tanking 2 players most of the game in very little danger of death and turretting chaos bolts between CC and winning game after game.
Let’s not balance the game today as if that was relevant. Let’s not balance the current game as if we’ve been ported back in time.
You completely missed the point, the point was, ret will always be crying even in the situation where they are in the upper hand. If they were crying in Shadowland, they will be crying now too (and they are).
You need to look around more. If you think this is exclusive to Rets and Shaman you haven’t read enough. The strongest specs in the game have players complaining about the classes weakness even if it’s only a single area of play.
Another post about X/Y are all this or all that.
Why don’t you go troll the mage forums about whiney mages or go make posts about how all huntards are dumb or warriors are all just zug zug and no brains, or DH are face rolling idiots.
You are not adding anything here…
Why would i troll mage?? That’s a pretty weird way to defend your spec.
DKs will be nerfed as a result of this.
Outta here.
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They are though, you guys have mobility Atleast ret has nothing. Divine protection can be removed and BOP does nothing against magical attacks. Ww could use some defense buffs aswell.
They aren’t. Just because double caster makes them miserable, which they do for every melee in the game (other than dh/dk), Doesn’t mean they are squishy.
They have a flat out immunity, shattering and MD can be stopped. They have a physical immunity on top, a 170k+ absorb on a 1min30sec cd and self healing, as nerfed as it is, still stronger than several other hybrids.
Ret is overpowered damage wise, and its defensives aren’t terrible either.
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Not if it’s a priest, and SOV isn’t a 170k absorb it’s also effected by damp and feels like paper. The buff helped but it didn’t do much, they should’ve buffed divine purpose and made it baseline. It’s very clear you don’t play ret because everything you’re saying is wrong. It’s hilarious coming from a ww when talking about insane dmg, you guys have been nerfed multiple times and still faceroll people. You have insane mobility and transportation, rets only mobility has a long cd and cost 3 talent points for 2 charges. It can be rooted, it can be slowed, blessing of freedom can be dispelled. Wog’s healing is trash for an ability that cost us damage, ret burst potential is very high but that’s plenty of dps specs right now. They can easily be kited and their burst is literally flashy asf an take multiple gcds to set up, if you get trained by a ret that’s a you problem. They’re the kill targets in arena for a reason, radiant decree is the only thing you people r crying about. They have literally nothing else besides a lucky 200k crit from radiant decree lmao. Have you ever played ret in pvp?. There’s only like 4 or 5 top rets and 2 of them r freaking Vanguards.
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Several hybrids??, please name the other hybrid specs I’m curious to which specs you consider hybrid.
Ele shamans, devestation evokers, ww monks. Dps specs with casted (among other) healing sources that come from a class that has a healing spec. You know, hybrids.
Like why is it so hard for you to accept that ret’s top end burst is over-tuned and they aren’t an insta flop spec?
Bet you have opinions on ele damage, bet you have had opinions on DH damage, Clearly have opinions on monk damage, but nah ret is totally in line with passable damage atm and is a weak spec.
Which is why over half the games of any streamer queing 2300-2400+ 3s is vs ret teams suddenly, people love a challenge. And I reference streamers as its viewable by anyone, anyone can see what is going on right now.
Nerf Ret please.
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This is true
Not quite an “insta flop” spec but it certainly is a near insta flop spec. It’s not reasonable to ask to completely gut the 2 gcds of death while everything else about the spec is kinda horrible, it would just bury it.
Don’t get me wrong both SL S1 Divine Toll and the current clown combo are equally lame, sadly the spec had virtually no dev time this expac and proper changes can probably be done in a patch. No ret asked for SL S1 DT 2.0.
Divine till this season isn’t even bad?. If anything it could use ringing clarity built into it, 1 judgment on a 1 min cd is not crap compared to SL divine toll xD.
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DH mobility is great.
DH is not immune to death and, post nerf, is the train target in a lot of comps now.
You have a short stun into blinding light, but you also have team utility defensives like sanc, sac, bop, etc. We have the cc because we lack the utility. Selfish class, etc.
DH has little self healing now. They nerfed leech by 40%, that effects demon healing, demon spawn rates don’t scale so you can have 2-3 minutes without a demon (happens all the time), they nerfed glimpse damage reduction, and they nerfed our burst damage (which hurts healing via leech), so yeah. Grass is greener sort of deal.
DH is still fine, but let’s not pretend they’re rogue or demo lock.
I dont even play with a warrior or priest, pretty sure not every team is running one either. So unless blizzard wants to let me break immunties with touch of Death, this isn’t much of an argument