So ranged survival in NW

[Bepples-barthilas]

@Tavoran-area-52

The reason survival was chosen to become melee in the first place was because blizzard broke a couple abilities and refused to revert the changes, making the class unplayable past normal raiding, which dropped its representation, and then ion killed it

Is this referring to the Serpent Sting nerf of 6.2? That did contribute to killing ranged Survival in that patch but that was just a month before Legion was announced. Blizzard had certainly already decided by that point to make Survival melee.

@Furvival-stormrage

Other mmo’s have got way more creative with their classes than WoW, and the systems work great.

It is very unusual for an MMO class or specialisation to be reworked into something to appeal to a totally different audience because it defies common sense.

A very comparable example is Bard in Final Fantasy 14. It was changed in Heavensward (first expansion) to stop being a fully mobile archer and into a more stationary Mage-esque bowmage. It failed so spectacularly they largely reverted to the original design outline in the next expansion.

As for being creative: making melee specs is no longer the creative path for Blizzard because that’s all they do. Every DPS spec added to the game post-launch has been melee. In fact making a new ranged spec would be creative.

@Furvival-stormrage

Look at Rift where there are only 4 base classes and each of those have a multitude of specs which do include every role. A tank spec for every class, a healer for every class, etc.
For example, Warrior has a Beastmaster spec that uses a pet and focuses on bleeds, the tank spec for Rogues focuses on teleports and evasion.

It can easily be done and offers far more diversity for playstyles.

None of this is an argument in favour of changing Survival to a melee spec so I’m not sure why you’re bothering to tell me this. Changing specialisations away from their existing roles is a bad idea, period. It seems you’re caught up on the concept of multiple roles in one class and not understanding that the problem here is that they changed the role of an existing spec.

Again, if they wanted to create more diversity in playstyles they would represent ranged weapons more because we only have 2 specs representing those v.s. 13 melee specs. Stop pretending it was some bold, creative decision to make Survival a melee spec. Making melee specs is Blizzard’s comfort zone. It’s their default state of mind.

@Felforsale-illidan

He’s trolling. It’s best to pretend posters like this don’t exist. Then they have to seek attention elsewhere.

@Ghorak-laughing-skull

This is most likely pointless, but I’ll ask anyway…

While he does genuinely believe the things he says, he has also admitted in the past that he posts deliberately bad baiting arguments to troll ranged Survival fans. This is why he’s the only poster I’ve put on my ignore list. He’s not seeking any genuine discussion and it’s not like he’s providing any convincing arguments as to why SV should be melee.

He does have a youtube channel where he explains more details about what he thinks about Survival. Among other things, he thinks Survival was genuinely a melee spec in Classic and that the current Marksmanship is functionally equivalent to ranged Survival because you can talent into an ability named Explosive Shot. In short, like most melee Survival diehards, he lives in a world of delusion.

EDIT: Let’s not forget that he’s also the kind of person who uses alt characters to pretend to be other people backing up his arguments.