YOU are a metafour!!
I am just a metathree.
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Luna’lai are present in Zandalar.
lmfao.
also, bfa was a two faction expansion with two factional landmasses.
Guess what Dragonflight isn’t?
No they are heretics the moon goddess (Elune) of Zandalar has been completely erased, only a few heretical druids remain.
sticken from history
Zanadalari myth is based on Aztec myth. The Sun and the Moon were at war with eachother in Aztec myth. The Aztec feed the Sun blood through ritual sacrifice to nourish him to continue to fight the Moon in a primordial cosmic Chaoskampf.
Why would worshipers of the Sun be welcomed in the domain of the Moon?but Q’onzu could be the lost Moon Loa of the Zandalari.
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https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Lun%27alai
Wowpedia has been abandoned. The new fansite is Warcraft.wiki.gg
- Many of de Zandalari believe us to be heretics. Dey claim our matron is no loa.
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Once again you didn’t read what I wrote, nor what she did.
She stated there were no lunalai in zandalar.
She lied.
I hate to chime into this conversation and be that guy…
But the actual similarity between Aztec myth and Zandalari culture and religion doesn’t really go beyond really basic (at times extremely loose and stereotype-y) aesthetic.
And most of that aesthetic comes from Spaniard stereotyping and fantastical mythos surrounding the Aztecs rather than the Aztecs themselves.
They don’t really have anything in common at all.
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No, you are absolutely wrong on this. I went into detail about how Aztec and Zandalari myth have similarites, also provided in game examples on my Twitter. Pandaren lorewalkers even affirm the 5 suns myth as myth of creation of the Sha.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Suns
The lorewalkers also imply an alternative cosmological story where the Moon was imprisoned, it’s in the Zao Sunseeker myth in the Jade Temple.
You all need to stop griefing me.
No, I’m absolutely right on this.
There’s no Aztec equivalent to a concept of ‘loa’, that concept was taken largely from West African folk religion and how it’s practiced.
Really, the Zandalari’s religion is based off of several different mythologies and religions from the real world ranging largely from Mesoamerican to African mythologies understood through a Western lens (as how most non-western mythologies are in this game).
Don’t know your twitter, don’t care.
The example you gave here on the forums isn’t right and is largely based on assumptive headcanoning on your part. We don’t even know the Zandalari’s practices or beliefs surrounding the moon, all we have is speculative theory which you linked to Aztec mythology.
Okay?
That’s Pandaren folk-religion and the similarities between actual Aztec mythology is incredibly loose.
Maybe this Pandaren myth is based loosely on Aztec myth, most WoW mythology is usually based off of something… Or it could just be Blizzard wrote a story about multiple Suns because they liked the number five, who knows.
But the tale of the Five Suns as in Aztec mythology doesn’t really have any similarities to what we’re told about this Pandaren myth in-game beyond the existence of 5 suns.
The concept of the ‘sun’ within Aztec mythology is also entirely different to the concept of the sun as depicted within the Pandaren Myth. The Aztec understanding of the sun is largely linked to chronology and time, rather than literal suns.
The suns in the Pandaren myth were also existing concurrently with each other causing plants and crops to die, something that doesn’t happen in Aztec myth because none of the suns existed alongside each other. This is because the Suns are used as narrative allegory for time and renewal through sacrifice (hence why a God sacrificed themselves to give rise to a new sun each time) whereas the suns in the Pandaren myth don’t have that connotation at all.
There also wasn’t one person who destroyed all the suns and left only one in Aztec mythology.
The Pandaren myths like this one are also loosely based off of traditional Chinese folktales.
Oh, and there’s no Aztec equivalent to the ‘Sha’ either beyond vague association… so…
Again, that’s Pandaren…
The Zandalari themselves don’t have anything written on this, all they have is the vague association that the matron of the Lun’alai (who’s speculated as being Elune btw) isn’t a loa.
Which could literally mean anything.
I also don’t seem to recall anything about specifically the moon ever being imprisoned mentioned within that encounter, but I might be wrong on that idk.
If you weren’t blatantly wrong I wouldn’t have ever commented on it.
Edit: Also, if you really want me to bury this entirely we can look at the association of sacrifice and how it’s viewed between the Zandalari and the Aztecs, which relates to the sun myth. You’ll find that there’s 0 similarity, and Aztec sacrificial practices would likely be frowned upon in Zandalari society. 
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I obviously cannot speak for Mithonic, but I imagine Mithonic meant something more along the lines of the Lun’alai practice not being embraced in Zandalar rather than the physical location the Lun’alai were found at.
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This! If they are heretical, their worship of the moon was against the culture and religious practices of the Zandalari who worship the Sun. The Moon was the antagonist to their Sun God, aka Elune was stripped of Loa-hood and denied reverence.
With that context why would Zandalari be welcome in the realm of Elune? Q’onzu is the only exception simply because they seem like a trickster spirit who calls themself a ‘Loa’ to cause discord.
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I’m kind of sad now… I’ll never see that because Twitter won’t let me without an account and I’m not doing that.
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You can view it without an account if I send you the link.
https://x.com/AzerothianEpoch/status/1734588617995985307?s=20
So, these Sun medallions coincide with the myth of the 5 Suns in Aztec creation mythology. There are only 3 because the Red Sun is two suns, and I can not find the sigil for the White Sun of Light. It has likely been destroyed. The Black Sun is located at Atul’Aman, and I think that tells a story about how that sigil was placed there since it’s the seat of the Third Epoch Sun.
First Epoch: In the beginning, the Dark Sun ruled, but he clashed with the Sun of Light. The Sun of Light knocked the Dark Sun out of the sky, and thus, it became eternal midnight. The Creator tried to create beings, but everything just fell into the Void at the bottom of the Universe. During the eternal Midnight, the Jaguar minions of the Dark Sun devoured all the mortals.
Second Epoch: The Sun of Light ruled this Epoch, but the people of the world turned away from him, The Sun of Light asked the Dark Sun to punish the mortals, so he turned them all into monkeys. The Sun of Light then stepped down and set out to create the perfect race of mortals. (comparative mythology to the Sun God Ra- the Book of the Heavenly Cow)
Third Epoch: The Green Sun of Life (An Aspect of the Red Sun) took over the job of Sun after the Sun of Light resigned. Life flourished during his reign, and he found love and took a wife, but the Dark Sun deceived him and stole his wife. The Green Sun filled with grief could not fulfill his role as Sun, in a fit of rage at losing his wife he unleashed a rain of fire, destroying the universe, leaving only ashes.
Fourth Epoch: Since no one unseated the Green Sun, he did not step down he was reborn as the Red Sun, and he took a new wife, a Jade Serpent, She was full of kindness and treated the mortals well, The Dark Sun whispered to her that her kindness was selfishness because she sought the approval of others, in her grief she cried blood, causing a great flood of blood, to survive all the mortals were turned into fish.
Fifth Epoch (Current): The Sun of Light would not accept the destruction of his people, so he went into the Underworld and retrieved their bones. He dipped their bones into his blood to bring them back to life. These new mortals awoke to a new Sun, The blue Sun, The Sun of War. The Sun of War was born alongside the Moon from the dual creator God. This is where the comparative myth in WoW develops, as we have other races with a similar story of the Sun and Moon. The Sun of War slew his mother (in some renditions also kills his sister, the Moon Goddess). The Stars and the Moon became jealous of him, and the Moon led an army against him every night. Every dawn is proof of his victory, and blood sacrifices sustained the Sun through this battle. This might also share lore with the Night Warrior ritual. “Elune is said to take the valiant dead from the battlefield and set them riding across the evening sky as stars for their reward.”
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The Lun’ali freak out the Zandalari because their matron is not acting like a Loa. She does not demand you wheel and deal for power. There is no expectation other than responsible stewardship of nature.
For a culture oriented around gods that demand you make bargains with them with concrete requirements the idea of a spirit just… giving power away is beyond suspicious.
Gornur found where it was Tyrande and Thrall talked! I knew I remembered them doing so. It was during this quest here:
Zhao Sunseeker’s story is that there were 5 Suns assailing him and he shot each of them down.
Lorewalker Stonestep during the Encounter specifically states that the Sha have infected the Scrolls so if anything the story of the shot down Suns becoming Sha is put forth by the Sha themselves not by the Pandaren who just say the 4 shot down Suns just got shot down.
Incidentally we have that Crystal from Hallowfall and the implications that there are 5 of these shot down Crystals in total with a 6th and 7th(if the 7th isn’t Yogg-Saron trying to usurp the Body of one of the 5 through his extracted corruption of Galakrond) still moving around.
The Pandaren got their Lore from the Mogu and they most certainly erased anything not associating creation to the Titans which would include the state of each shot down Crystal.
I don’t think there’s any implication that this 5 Sun comparative mythology that there are 5 shards like the one in Hallowfall. It’s not a Sun. It is described as a star.
I think you are misunderstanding the sun’s role in the cosmology chart. The sun and moon are just the male and female duality of the Earthmother. Metaphorically, they are the divine masuline and divine feminine aspects that exist in all things. The Sun isn’t always connected to the Light. The Black Sun is connected to The Shadow, and the Red and Green Suns are connected to Life. I’m not even sure how this factors in but even Cho’gall invoked the 5 Suns with his End Time prophesy where he says, “the sun of life will set forever, as light gives way to eternal night.” this was a twilight prophesy, so Xal’atath’s plan is to bring forth Midnight.
The Nerubians are being promised a ‘dark ascension’ freedom from flesh. The Etherals also sought to become pure Void, thier story will overlap with the Nerubians.
The Arathi are a sect of Orthodox Catholics who worship a “Holy Fire” which is basically just the Holy Spirit in it’s purest form.
I was looking around and saw a theory i wanted to share. It’s about a connection between Q’onzu, and Khonsu, the ancient Egyptian god of the moon. Q’onzu is a very unique character and seems to have the ability to -travel- between the dream and reality. Q’onzu was noted to have left the dream and blended in with mortals. Khonsu’s name is said to literally mean “traveller” and represents the moon travelling across the sky.
There are some more interesting notes after reading a small amount into it. The Egyptian god Khonsu’s father was also “Amun” (Amunthul?), whom Zeus is the greek equivalent to. Also, why would Q’onzu not want to help Cenarius, other than being cowardly? I know there is more here but only grasping at straws.
All of this started because i wandered into an NPC named "Mistaaytch In the druid legion order hall. Is that a blizzard self insert of “mister H” or maybe, mistake guardian of cenarius? Who knows, could all be coincedences or naming schemes.
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I love this! Thanks for sharing. WoW loves it’s Egyptian myth. I can absolutely see this being the inspiration for Q’Onzu.
The Temple of Khonsu at Karnak is in a relatively good state of preservation, and on one of the walls is depicted a creation myth in which Khonsu is described as the great snake who fertilizes the Cosmic Egg in the creation of the world.
Oh! Now that is interesting.
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