Agreed.
Premades = 2-5 people joining a game together
Sync queue = multiple groups of 5 garbage players queuing together to all get into the same game
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Yeah, I get that. Sometimes you just have to get out of there. I try not to, but sometimes depending on the mood I’m in I leave. The nature of PVP will always mean there is a huge competitive edge to be better than the enemy.
I love PVP but I’ve never gotten into the mentality required to sustain a long relationship with players in a PVP guild.
There are loads of nice people, but there are individuals that take it beyond the pale, it’s just the nature of it, and good luck if you find a grp of people that are all level-headed in PVP ha ha. I still love it, just wish it was in a better place.
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Premades are premades.
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nah
40 players in coms is significantly different than 5 guildies playing together not in coms
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This is true. Nothing can counter a premade like another premade and the solo queuer experience would be much better with strong premades on both sides. However, I think a big issue is that many of the “more serious” pvpers are on alliance. Or, at least, it skews heavily by time of day.
I really do think we need cross faction BGs to solve this issue. It would make it easier to match premade vs premade and the overall quality of those matchups would improve.
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People are mercing all the time anway, just make it so all parties queuing get split evenly between horde/alliance. No more party sync premades.
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I’m actually curious why is nobody using the Battlegrounds tab in the group finder. I remember during WoD it was the thing, as was oQueue in MoP. There were some recognizable group leaders. I guess nowadays they’re all in private communities or something.
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I mean yes, the people who are losing consistently are the ones most likely to complain about premades. That seems pretty straightforward. Maybe they’re right, maybe they are wrong (odds are in reality they are probably half-right and half bad luck/skill/timing).
I do find it interesting that more habitual premaders like yourself very quickly draw the line between what they/you do vs what a group like Ruin gaming does in EBGs as if they are completely different things. Sure, the sync-timing thing is apparently morally grey (but oddly never actionable? shrug ) and I have no idea what enjoyment they get out of holding 40 people hostage for hours at a time, but to be honest, I have no idea why you team-stack either.
Let’s look at it objectively here. You’re running at an 85% win-rate across 5,000 or so BGs (excluding the EBG maps). That’s a lot of BGs over the years and you have won almost every one. So you’re either the greatest solo player ever, you habitually drop losing matches to preserve an… unrated measurement no one cares about (which some people do actually do!) or you run a stacked team consistently, fully blowing the doors off of casuals for your own enjoyment/dopamine fix and the enjoyment of discord-based buddies while effectively utilizing every other stranger in your instance as a pawn in your self-gratification and chest-pumping sessions?
I gotta be honest here, that sounds exactly like what EBG Syncers do.
Because let’s be real here. If you (or any premader) wanted actual competition, there are venues for exactly that. Ladders have rivalries all the time, that’s a big part of ranked and competitive play and good news for you, they are already entirely filled with premades.
Sure maybe you tell yourself that the real rush is finally finding a rival premade team and duking it out, but 5000+ matches later, at 85% win-rate, you’re either dominating them too or (and much more likely) just very rarely actually finding that golden mirror match and largely just smashing post-dinner dads and pre-homework loners solo-queuing for 30 mins a night.
In any case, any team who has an 85% win-rate across 5000 iterations is in the wrong league and anyone forced to play against them is going to have a horrible time. You see that, right? Honest question (for any habitual premader, not just Bob Saget - RIP king), you do realize that running a team like this just ruins the experience for literally everyone around you… don’t you?
Look, you do you - after 5000 runs you’re not suddenly going to have an epiphany - it just all reads like bullying to me (and don’t get me wrong; the guild will hop into randoms sometimes and rip through and I get the appeal - but it’s just not fair or even remotely even to have a hand-picked pocket-5 in disc vs 5 randoms. Even if every single player in server was a duelist in both 3s and RBGs, the team with the 5-man pre-made will win… 85% of the time)
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That image really disappointed me. I thought it would be more engaging or possibly juicy.
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I am sorry then, science-cheese
If me and my friends sync q we’ll have 100% win rate
We usually do 2-3 people out of coms
Bob solo q’s all the time. He is an incredible player
We do yolo rbgs all the time, we do regular bgs when we have less than 6.
It’s usually just 2-3 of us
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Right, I get that - but why should the 10-15 people on the other team have to play against a stacked 3s team in comms with pocket healing and 2k+ experience? I completely understand why you do it, I just don’t know why anyone else has to put up with it and just live with it? Doesn’t seem remotely fair, and I can’t see a single benefit for the other team, so… why keep it?
My assumption (wild guess) is the ratio of random solo’Q players to habitual premaders is 100:1, so why cater to 1% of the demographic at all… ever?
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No, they’re not. They’re supposed to either:
A. Get better at the game
B. find a group of friends
This has always been WoW to me. Get ganked, try and fight back, if you can’t win get your older brother to come gank them.
I started playing WoW because I didn’t want to play games like league where everything is solo
I enjoy the group experience. It’s fun, I like meeting people and getting to know people. I’ve been playing with phantom from these forums the past couple days, had him in coms too. Lots of laughs, not even trying on the game at all.
That’s WoW
Not stressing about how many people are in a group on the enemy team
The people that win the most bgs are the ones who enjoy WoW
“Just do rated pvp”
Arena sucks right now, and I do do rbgs
I also solo q all the time, with the goal of trying to make new friends
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It isn’t realistic to think that for over 5000 games i had a full 5 stack of 2k plus experienced players.
In shadowlands season 3 and 4 i played a lot bgs and for months it was literally just me and joker doing bgs. 2 man with an occasional 3rd here and there for hundreds of games constantly running into premades on the other team
You say it’s similar to bullying, like I’m coming at you for your lunch money. The way i look at it is you walked into a room full of bullies, didn’t bring any friends and had all your lunch money in a bag that says “lunch money, please don’t steal”
That’s what pvp is in an mmo. The other team wants to bully you and take your flags, your nodes, your azerite. Stop letting them and bring some big tough friends of your own so games stop being stomps and you take me and my 85% win rate down a peg
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I think the moral of the story of this particular premade/sync-quer BG thread is…
Go make friends.
And if you can’t make friends? Then that’s what we in the business call a skill issue.
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This made me chuckle
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There’s not much else to talk about so what can we expect but more of the same? A resurgence of low level party sync/twink/hunter threads? People go to arena forums for all the generic whining about class balance and pvp changes.
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That’s the moral of the story of any premade complaint thread.
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Too toxic of a post really, but I’ll say premades would not be a problem as much if potential outcome in BGs was more directed by individual player skill.
First it would feel less bad when you lose, because you’d know you suck, but since it’s casual meta DF where you feel good all the time it’s really hard to know.
So you face a premade with friends that are all pretty good at DF, it’s really impossible as a solo player to beat anyone’s premade anymore.
Like, you can’t possibly 1v5 anymore ever. And you could do that before cuz if players didn’t play good they’d lose, but they can’t lose now they have too many CDs that protect them, and healers are too overpowered.
It pisses me off endlessly that skill has less impact than it should and most players are contented with that reality of being wheelchaired on overpowered class design that just counters other classes easily, it’s WORSE than how it felt to play priest vs rogues in vanilla, i’d rather take that reality than how it is now. Really.
I need WoW to make a better PvP experience so that my friends stop leaving the PvP scene. Does anyone remember the old PvP forum BG community? It’s a freaking ghost town now.
My gripe now with most of the people who want to form a group is, I don’t want to join discord to play every single time. It’s allergy season man, I don’t need to hear people clear their throats a thousand times.
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