…huh. Now installing an addon that communicates with other people who have the same addon instead of spamming /general makes you an elitist. Using a…free addon. Is…elitist. That is…
You might want to stretch the next time you make a leap that big, you could end up pulling something.
I’m thinking that you are misunderstanding their post, or I am misunderstanding yours. They aren’t saying that using an addon is elitist, and I hope that you aren’t either because that’s just not even close to being right. They are trying to say that the people using these addons are making an attempt at being nice to everyone instead of acting like some elitist jerks and only helping out the circle they run with.
“I find it very sad that you actually believe the things you have posted in this thread. If I were religious I would pray for you, but I am not so you are SOL.”
So um you are saying this was not a troll post? You should maybe read what they are actually saying, It is heavily trolling.
Edit: also the reason I said it was Ironic is because they called me a troll because it was “flooding” and not “spamming”.
I don’t use addons (I should, just lazy), and I didn’t say addons were cheating. I said I was surprised Blizz didn’t consider it cheating.
Well than what is it, if someone calls a rare that has already been announced 3 times are they spamming? Because that’s what it sounds like people are saying here, but how can you police that? Is it the fourth person who makes the call the spammer and they should be banned? Maybe the fifth person?
What do you want us to do, sit there and count the other rare announcements in chat and make sure ours is not number 5 or face the wrath of the poor gamers who hate helping other people?
“Oh look, Rust is up, let’s see, one announcement, two announcements, th… oh, he died.”
No matter how many times an announcement is made, if ONE person does not make the same announcement over and over it cannot, will not and never should be classified as spam regardless of what anyone wants to think, because than you are taking away freedom of speech to allow people to have a say.
Did I say that? No, I didn’t.
However the idea that “people asked” for them to have hours or days-long respawn timers is just fiction, I think.
There are very few players who find it exciting to idle in-game, popping back every 10 minutes to hit the space bar to avoid being disconnected, camping a mob that’s only on a ridiculous respawn timer to artificially extend the life of content.
As for the add-ons, I’m all for them, and think it’s ridiculous that people are getting reported or silenced for using them.
I don’t think it’s a problem at all that there’s an addon. I also agree the people reporting it are probably just trolling or way too high-strung. It’s supplying useful, in-game, information and they’re not saying it over and over again in general chat.
Who uses general chat to actually chat about general things anyhow?
Due to how the reports are handled, or not handled, all you need is X number of reports and someone is banned/silenced and once they ask for a review will a GM than look at it and make a human decision, it’s cost effective, but not very effective to the players.
What I don’t get is how many people here don’t quite understand, you, me, that person over there, we cannot spam rare information, we call when it is there, a location, health, engaged or not or any combination of those ONCE, we than call if they are dead, ONCE.
Some people here even stated they would rather have it called manually, like what putting the information in manually makes a difference as to how this is being viewed as spam or not? I can’t find a different addon that can customise the text so it looks different to what others are using? Who is to say it’s even an addon?
The issue is some players don’t like seeing so much of the same chat so they report whoever they feel like and the system than takes over and does what it does. Those people are not realising, just because you are the second or later person to make an announcement that a rare is up does not mean that particular person is now spamming or even using an addon.
Some folks need to learn how to use the chat windows…I have years make new chat windows…one for guild…one for party/raid…one for whispers…that way just click though them for any info I might miss while general chat is going nuts not just with a addon going off reporting a rare up or just normal chat for the zone…its that simple now…
Spam is repeated or unwanted communication. Some people enjoy getting community coupons on their mailbox and some people prefer to only receive letters directly addressed to them. It’s a preference–neither is right or wrong. The preference is subjective, and in the wow scenario, dictated by the community through the report system.
You seem to be the one failing to understand that any spammy chat is spam, regardless of frequency. You continue to define spammy chat as “frequently posted information,” which would include simply saying “hi” over and over again, for example whereas spam is unwanted communication at any frequency interval.
That means when you post, “rare at X,Y coordinate” and then “rare dead” many times or one time, both can be interpreted as spam. Telling people that they should leave the chat if they’re bothered by it, or telling people that you’re providing them useful information even if they don’t want it, does not change the fact that it’s unwanted communication in the channel you’re posting it.
The fact that a few of you refuse to respect the wishes of the community, evidenced by the fact the community is reporting your communication as spam, is further evidence that what you’re doing is spamming the channel. If someone is following you around offering you 10K gold in game, if you don’t want it then it’s harassment if that person follows you all through the game trying to give it to you regardless of how helpful it would be to you in the abstract.
In practical terms, the addon is useless. Due to sharding and speed of execution of the rares, if you aren’t in the group broadcasting the location (and you’ll need to be right on top of the rare, for that matter) then spamming it into the channel doesn’t help anyone. The realistic targets of the communication are group members and, as such, it should be restricted to group chat.
If none of that manages to penetrate your skull, consider it philosophically: it’s untenable to have a system where everyone is spamming their group’s information into the general channel: all parties, PvP raids, PvE raids, and farm groups. It’d be a festival of nonsense.
These are just some of the reasons why arguing that your add-on is only really putting a few lines of text into the chat channel so it can’t possibly be spam is a ridiculous position.
Do you know what Blizzard think about spam? They don’t.
There is no definition in the ToS, EULA or any other legal information we have available for us that governs how we can or cannot use the service in which we pay for.
If you read through these posts about addon usage and what you are classifying as spam, not what Blizzard classify as acceptable or not, you will not that there are more people in the community who want these messages to be posted than there is not.
For the same reason as above, people enjoy these messages because it let’s them know a rare is up, gives them adequate information as to whether they should pursue the rare or not and allows them to plan when they should next pursue this rare, like when Rustfeather last died so you can plan when you are going to head out there and wait for the spawn.
It also allows you to ask the person who has spotted the rare, and anyone else who is going to the area to wait for you to arrive and do the community thing and help each other. Which is far more important than ignoring everyone, being greedy and taking the kill for yourself, because I thought that was the single most important thing that the community wants, to help each other or you would not be even bothering with the use of the general chat channels.
The ONLY thing you can use to make an argument as to whether someone can correctly be reported and banned is under the EULA xi. Disruption / Harassment - 2. Harassment, “griefing,” abusive behavior or chat, conduct intended to unreasonably undermine or disrupt the Game experiences of others, deliberate inactivity or disconnecting, and/or any other activity which violates Blizzard’s Code of Conduct or In-Game Policies.
conduct intended to - If you can reasonably prove that the people using these addons, or those not and manually posting in chat, are intending to disrupt the gaming experience of others than you may have a case to report someone. But as noted by many people in this and other posts around the topic of ‘spam’ is that they are posting to help other people rather than disrupt their play.
Yes, I do know what Blizzard thinks about spam.
As with all things not covered by the ToS, Blizzard’s stance has been concerns that can be resolved inside the community shall be resolved by the community.
The community has spoken by reporting the add-on in sufficient numbers to trigger an auto squelch. Upon review, the silences are upheld because the community reports are valid.
Your opinion on whether or how many people prefer the add-ons spamming the general chat is irrelevant. The facts are that sufficient numbers of people have reported that activity and any review shall uphold the consequences of that report unless those repots are proven to be invalid. That is, if they are spoofed reports; they aren’t invalidated because you don’t agree with them.
I get some like them, some don’t. Really, until Blizzard comes right out and puts in print SOMEWHERE, we can all argue both sides.
It is a POV area. I’m not advocating for one side or another. I am however, imo, seeing both sides. It NEEDS to be put in ONE place where all can read and see what they feel about it.
No one should have to go looking in all kinds of places for snippets here and there.
Again, just my opinion.
That is ludicrous logic.
You are contrasting people who actively post on the forums saying they support the Spam Addons - with people sitting in game reporting the spam. We do not have the numbers of spam reports available to contrast this all.
The posters in favor of the Spam Addons only speak for themselves.
The people in game who report the spam can do it without 10 posters jumping down their throat. They do it in game, anonymously, and the spam is reduced when enough reports occur.
It takes around 5 people to report someone before something is done, and only 5 people will ensure Blizzard uphold any community driven bans.
You really want to use that as an example of how the community has spoken and how the community don’t want these addons running, sure, why not, 5 people represents the majority does it not?
In the meantime we have no way at all of showing how much we do want these addons. Blizzard never do straw polls and any community driven straw polls are thrown out the window by people like you telling us that it does not represent the entire community.
Well neither does 5 people, but you seem to think it is OK to use that because it represents your viewpoint.
But we do know it only takes 5 people before something is done.
We know this because there are people here who talk about being silenced for this and many other reasons and some of them go into details about their discussions with the GM’s, one of which recently had a GM tell them that because 5 people reported them the ban will be upheld.
As I said in my first post in this thread, I have not reported the Spam Addons. I rarely report other people. I am pretty easy.
But I do find that spam irritating as all heck. I let it be. But I 100% understand why others would report…
I can see people being equally as annoyed as I am with all the spam, while having less qualms about using the “report” feature.
I won’t lie, I get annoyed sometimes too, but I also think about the need of these vs me just being mean. Take for example Rustfeather, it gets called up and dead sometimes within 10 seconds of each other, but this is useful as there are some who don’t have flying, don’t have jetpacks and on a day when armory is not up it allows them to plan when to go camp the spawn next.
Should we than start being selective about which rares we can and cannot call? Do we limit it to those that drop items needed for the meta achievements? Rares that drop mounts? What about those who need one random rare that gives nothing but counts towards their rare kills for the meta achievement?
What about someone who wants a random rare just for the battle pet? Some people might not view that as important, but to those who want the pet it is. Who gets to decide which rare is and is not important and why some people want to know information on spawns and kills?
We have the issue that those who want the addons are on the forums in more numbers than those who don’t, but than those who don’t want the addons are saying it does not take the whole community into account and because people are being silenced it shows that people don’t want the addons.
But on the flip side how else are we supposed to know how many people actually want the addon? The only way is to post here on the forums, any other form of identifying those for these addons are dismissed so it’s not even a fair argument to begin with. Just because Blizzard take a handful of reports and throw out a silence does not mean there are more who don’t want the addon.
You’re overcomplicating the issue. Besides not knowing how many people required to silence a player, other than your completely made up number of 5, it doesn’t matter. If enough people in a chat group don’t want to see your addon mess then they will report it.
Similarly there is no confusion as to who wants the add-ons, other than people like you creating ridiculous arguments; the people who want to add-on will download and use the add-on.
As to where the chat output of that add-on’s information should be: in party chat.
There is no realistic scenario where you are just sitting in the hub, watching general chat spam for coordinates of a rare, when you aren’t in a group looking for rares or running such an add-on yourself.
This entire ordeal is something you’ve completely whipped up into a frenzy. Were you silenced? If you haven’t been silenced and your entire argument rests on pushing this noise into other people’s conversation for their benefit, then you should probably ask yourself if this is something you want to spend so much time and headspace on. No one seems to be asking you to champion this for them and there are fewer than five likes on each of yours posts if 5 is the magic number you’d like to revolve this argument around.
Well it does matter and of course you are going to think I made it up. And of course Blizzard are never going to tell us how it exactly works. I can only work on what information I can find by googling it and reading the forums here, not my fault you don’t believe me.
Except I do this all the time, I sit in the main base or close to an area where there are rares I want while watching general chat and, you know, having a chat with people.
No one seems to be asking you either to try and stop the addons now are they? And there are 2 total likes across all your posts here, what is your point?
Whether I use these addons or not, whether I have been silenced or not, or even if people posting about rares are even using addons, I can see the benefit of these messages for some people and find it extremely stupid that people are getting banned for doing the whole community thing and trying to assist other people.
Even if we are going to agree as a community to start policing these announcements how are we going to go about that? Let’s say Arachnoid spawned in the alternate timeline, do I make one announcement and that is it, leave it at that? Or since there are like 3 people in the area at any given time do I make further calls to allow those to make the item needed and make their way over? What about someone who just zoned in after the announcement was made, is it fair that they don’t get to be advised that there is a rare up that drops a mount and the chance to go over and kill it?
Because all people seem to care about is flooding the chat with other nonsense instead of communicating about things within the game or focus more on the chat instead of the game.