If people want to play Tanks in PvP then I say to each their own.
I am of the opinion that in competitive PvP, there is no role that tanks fill that is not already filled by another spec that does the job better and brings something more.
I also believe that to make tank specs work in competitive PvP modes, you have to not only be incredibly good at the spec, but you also need to be incredibly good at the game mode. Most players will never meet both of these.
Other PvP games which are considered far more competitive than WoW have Tanks in them. WoW PvP made a mistake by not coming up with a better format for competitive PvP and to balance around the 3 Class roles.
Iāve been doing it for 18 years and itās just far more enjoyableand has more depth than Dps. Playing Prot feels like a real warrior. Iāve also played Prot Pal.
Then the Devs need to work on that. A Tank should make your team drastically better. The Tank should be buffing/debuffing.
Prot War is the best designed Tank. They have bodyguard talent to prevent 40% physical damage, Demo shout for a 30% wall for your team, intervene and the new hero talent that also gives you a magic absorb based on Protās armor.
We just need more of this and for all Tanks. I think we canāt take WoW PvP seriously till itās successfully balanced around the 3 Class roles like other games.
imo this is blizzards fault. Traditionally, it seems like they just donāt make an effort to balance them outside of nontargeted PVE changes. As an arena player, my experience can be summarized as āa tank spec completely ruins the game for a few weeks once every few patches after some PVE change makes it do absurd damage while being virtually impossible to killā. Then blizzard makes it take 600% more damage to delete it from existence.
This isnāt a serious approach to the role and just makes people disdain it. Seems like maybe this is starting to change, but i do understand why people dont like tanks specifically in arena. in bgs they have always had some function
Thatās all well and good that other games have tanks in their PvP, WoW clearly does not design PvP with tanks in mind. Iām sure most of the competitive players in WoW PvP would not want tanks to be commonplace in PvP.
If you enjoy tanks in PvP thatās great for you. Itās not a coincidence that tanks rarely appear in meta comps in competitive brackets in the game.
If you think the game canāt be taken seriously if tanks arenāt balanced into PvP then I think you fall into an incredibly miniscule minority of people.
I hope so. Prot Pal just got specific PvP buffs and havenāt seen that basically ever. They just gotta put some effort into it and itās really not that hard.
This is true. They should maybe pay some League Devs to consult them on balance and Tank design.
The most exciting AWC I have ever watched was with a Tank. When Drainerx was playing Prot pal. The announcers were going wild, the crowd loved it!!! Everyone thought it was amazing. The Prot dream was real and was insanely entertaining.
Blizz ended up ruining it because they didnāt know how to balance and felt the CC immunity Prot had wasnāt intended and it scaled with the new SL conduits to far. So they gutted it. Instead of balancing it. Sadly.
Thatās why WoW PvP has always been a MEME compared to other games. Itās just not serious PvP and doesnāt attract serious PvPer to start playing WoW.
If you are a talented young PvP player you wonāt be saying let me check out WoW when there are other games infinitely better in regards to serious PvP. I want this to change and for WoW PvP to grow.
Only for this game though. Again itās a really weird take for PvP players to not accept Tanks since they are the foundation of PvP and required for other PvP games. This is just a WoW mindset that is wrong. WoW is the only game that is like this in regards to tanks.
My opinion is the majority opinion if you look at other games.
Iād love if tanks were more viable and welcomed in PvP, and I havenāt ever really played a tank at all beyond a couple low level dungeons in vanilla and a tiny bit in wrath.
WoW is a PvE game first. PvP is an after thought minigame. Itās simply how it is. If you want a game where development and balancing is at the forefront of design philosophy, you are playing the wrong game. It has always been this way, thinking it will change after 20 years is folly. Try League or a Shooter.
You keep saying āin other gamesā. WoW is not those games. Never has been. Never will be.
PvP is one of the 3 pillars, always has been, from the beginning.
Wonāt claim it hasnāt been neglected, and probably the harder part to make content for, but nah. Pet battles is a minigame, I donāt remember seeing esports prizes for pet battles.
Actions speak louder than words. Blizzard can say āPvP is one of the 3 pillarsā all they like.
When PvP development is neglected for years and class design philosophy is solely PvE driven, itās pretty obvious where the focus of the game direction is.
The real 3 Pillars is probably Raiding, M+, Solo Content. In that order
Fun fact which may or may not be relevant to this discussion: I noticed that the only tank at elite level in Blitz right now is a single blood DK. Every other tank is below duelist.
Yea Iāve fought Healrstealr several times Blood DK is very oppressive especially on FC maps they just kidnap healers or the FC and someone else runs. Vengeance is starting to make a move now seeing some higher rating ones. They can kidnap you at a base too and put you out of bounds and cap.
Yeah, most development goes to the popular and prestige content,
dungeons and raids take a lot of development time. It also brings in a lot more players. I;m not mad about that.
I know PvP is more of a niche population, but Blizz has had pvp in itās bones since the early days.
We just got a great new game mode, and a new map that strangely isnāt in the new game mode hut eh.
I donāt like raiding or even doing a dungeon more than 2 or 3 times. but I donāt go into those threads and trash talk,
Yep, which I think speaks to my point about tanks only being somewhat useful in the hands of someone who is incredibly good at the spec and game mode.
If me stating my opinion on tanks in competitive pvp is ātrash talkingā in your opinion, then Iām sorry you feel that way I guess?
He is definitely a good player at his spec. However itās week 2 and has 3 times as many games as other blood DKās. Iām sure many Tanks will reach Elite level in the coming weeks.
Iām not trying to take anything away from him. Heās beaten me a few times Iāve beaten him. Iām just saying he is also Queing 24/7 and not everyone can actually do that.
He has more wins than I have games played. Give us a minute to play the new mode lol.
It is early and there will be a handful of people who get elite on tank specs. In terms of a percentage of the people playing those specs however, it will be miniscule compared to every other healer/dps spec in the bracket.
Thatās probably a good idea. Even guardians are having trouble making it across a CtF map without getting melted.
The problem is players arenāt adjusting. Tanks arenāt solely FC or base sitters now.
I qued into Healrstealr on an FC map and I told them someone is gonna have to FC. I can help keep him off you or root and slow their EFC. They said nah you run. I said okay well we have no chance then cause he wonāt let me touch the flag.
You either adapt or you donāt.
True enough. A lot of people arenāt even pushing right now, theyāre just getting 1600 for the free tier token and capping conquest.
Stillā¦rank 1 range for tanks is going to be low compared to healers/dps.