IMO, Survival shouldn’t have pets either.
Actually I’d be in favor of just deleting Survival entirely, it’s just a melee wannabe.
BM would have its identity solely in pets, being the only spec to use them.
MM would have its identity in mastering ranged attacks with their trusty bird familiar.
Survival would have its identity in no longer surviving if we just deleted it. Seems about right.
that i am on board with. especially after losing what is imho the best spec ever created “ranged survival” for this current abomination.
delete survival from wow please.
At least I wouldn’t be getting spears on my hunters that I will never use or care about.
Survival gives Rexxar vibes who has a lot of pets and fights with melee, and many would feel like they’re stripping the identity of that vibe by removing pets.
If you removed pets from Survival Hunters?
Because as it currently stands? Survival-Hunters is the LEAST played spec, in the ENTIRE game. Not just hunters — The whole game (or at least it was last I checked in DF)
Oh I see, that’s what you want 
So very few people would miss it then.
Good!
Then I can stop being given spears because of some stupid spec nobody cares about.
I liked Survival as a hunter.
I just like having pretty pets more 
… and performing well, lol
Imo SV Hunter’s identity clashes with UHDK.
Yeah one has diseases and shadow magic while the other throws bombs and uses venom but they’re both… melee specs with a pet.
It’s just funny to see the argument when old range SV was a thing it was about MM and SV overlapping in identity when that seems to be the argument now for current MM change going into 11.1. 
At least UH doesn’t hurt the other two specs by wanting a unique weapon type.
In fact, UH’s existence allows Frost to set it as its loot spec and get 2H weapons and DPS trinkets at the same time, so it’s actually helpful for UH to exist.
Yeah but what I’m getting at Blizzard wanted to push out this melee SV for the sake of unique “Identity” when all it did was copy the identity of an already existing spec.
Really would love to have range SV back, the spec was the only thing that came close to resembling an Arcane Archer. MM on the other hand… has no idea wth it wants to be.
They probably did that because they didn’t know what else to do with it.
I mean if you had ranged SV and gave it a bunch of skills having to do with ranged attacks then it’s basically treading on MM’s ground.
And it sounds like this coming overhaul to MM, it might finally get an idea of what it wants to be, I suppose?
Yeah but why do we draw this line at only Hunter?
All 3 Mages specs is do you want to pick red, blue, or purple as your flavor of color as a mage.
Sin Rogue is basically Nature DPS with daggers while Sub Rogue is Shadow DPS with daggers, Outlaw is the only spec unique between the two. I just don’t get it.
Maybe, while I understand everyone is dooming about the lack of pets it does all prevent ppl cycling pets in and out in group content.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but with mage… Arcane is about going between blasting and recovery phases, Fire Mage is about BIG HONKING CRITS and Frost is more a spec for soloing as you do lots of roots and slows?
Completely different playstyles.
Not sure about the two Rogues, I only play Outlaw myself.
EDIT: If anything, one could make the argument that Destro and Fire Mage are too similar, but then there is that Infernal summon…
I’ve only played Fire Mage but learning Arcane they do have completely different playstyles.
But following that point, MM was about upfront burst damage, Chimaera Shot, Aimed Shot(Back during MoP I don’t think they had Serpent Sting whereas SV did but someone can correct me on that) all were heavy hitting shots
Survival Hunter on the other hand, was about DoTs. Explosive Shot, Black Arrow, Serpent Sting(Serpent Spread from Mulitshot). The mastery itself was about enhancing Magical Damage. Oh and looking online, SV Hunter lost Kill Shot in WoD making the identity of the spec less about upfront damage.
I would argue MM was Destro equivalent while SV was Affliction for Hunter.
It isn’t the solution people want, I get it, but you play MM when you do group content then and play BM otherwise.
I know it isn’t ideal, I have the same issue on my Druid. What I want is to play Balance but I end up running around as Guardian far more often because of how squishy Balance is solo. Then run Balance for group type content.
The difference is I do that because the spec is poorly balanced, not the mechanics of the spec. So it isn’t a perfect comparison but the solution will end up being the same. The best thing to do is offer feedback once this hits PTR. Blizz isn’t going to change course but you might be able to influence changes to make playing a solo pet BM better mimic what you enjoyed about MM.
Other than that you are just gnashing your teeth for no reason. I doubt this idea of changing up MM is something Blizz is going to abandon at this point. I am rather looking forward to it, running a petless MM in group content and keeping BM for solo content is appealing to me.
You don’t know that.
We’re not ‘gnashing our teeth’. We’re giving feedback and making sure our voices are out there for blizz.
Im sure if they fundamentally changed your character, you would be just as upset.
I mean, healing spells only for holy. Or spells in general. Make pro/ret physical melee only. Basically “holy” warriors.
nO YOu’R A lOSInG jOkE! GnomeMad
But in other news: 
Also, is that how goblins came to be. Super mad gnomes sick of the titans messing with their tinkers and said screw it. Imma just gonna get rich. Blizzard messin with our mechapets go-bi-ow-n it up. Think I’ll go blin’ it up. And thus goblins were created.
I’m very happy with the change. 
Wrong… I haven’t used a pet since Lone Wolf was introduced.
Because pets are just a hunter thing in general. Be like if portals were arcane only, blessing of protection being only protection, stealth only for subtlety