True. I don’t see that as a negative in of itself. Hunters are arguably to strong in solo content. I wouldn’t say they are the strongest but for dps they are certainly up there.
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Try reading the rest of my posts.
I didn’t say MM will be trash, but it will lose their spot as a top solo spec.
Hunters were the kings of solo play due to the “self-healing”, taunting pets.
That will not apply to MM anymore.
I’d rather have them use this petless approach on a new ranged class or hunter spec, because it is interesting, just not in lieu of what we already have.
To add insult to injury, hunter will finally able to respec pets…
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Good to see spirit of the wow community rising to a challenge hasn’t changed…
Tbh I’d consider frost mages as the top solo spec. Between damage output, passive slows, ccs, blink, rewind time.
They pretty much rule solo content. Always have too.
The best aoe farmers in vanilla were frost mages.
Meh these changes never last long. And we also don’t know how well the eagle will function yet.
Imo it’s a bit too early to be up in arms about these changes just yet.
Now… what everyone seems to have glossed over though is they removed barrage from mm and buffed it for bm rofl.
That is the biggest insult out of all these changes personally.
Guess they finally gave up on Lone Wolf and decided to finally put some work in.
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As long as the Eagle can be customized and isn’t too intrusive, I’m fine with this change. Literally the only build I use for MM is Lone Wolf and I think this change still fits the fantasy of being a sharpshooter. In real life, long-distance snipers have a spotter with them and this pseudo-pet bird fills that role in a more fantasy style.
Granted, I much prefer to run BM because Exotic Pets are way cooler. It’s not long that I miss having my big chunky devilsaurs and core hounds stomping around.
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I will take it as a personal slight if there isnt a parrot glyph.
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That much is obvious. You show all the hallmarks of the 30% of the population identified in fMRI studies that can’t tolerate contradiction of their beliefs. These people reflexively reject any information that generates cognitive dissonance, immediately reassure themselves by repeating their prior beliefs, and then tend to look for ways to attack the source of the conflicting information in order to circumvent said information without engaging with it, frequently by way of ad hominem attacks.
- You immediately reject an entire range of valid objections people hold, usually without fully engaging with them.
- You follow it up with a vague solution you think negates said objection, usually without fully supporting them.
- You then imply that the people with objections are just bad at the class/spec/game.
Zero cognitive flexibility. And the research suggests this is because these are not your own beliefs. That 30% of the population that can’t engage with conflicting information compensates by outsourcing cognition to a trusted authority figure. Based on your responses, you probably have an authority figure that says things like, “It is what it is,” and places the upmost emphasis on personal accountability above all else, even in situations when the individual was not actually responsible, which requires them to twist the situation.
An example would be someone that got hit by a drunk driver that drove up on the sidewalk in the middle of the night, to which your authority figure would probably say, “They shouldn’t have been out walking at night and they should’ve been paying more attention to their surroundings,” before even acknowledging the drunk driver.
These types of people love thought-terminating cliches. And most of your replies seem like slightly more elaborate ways of saying “skill issue”, which is a popular cliche these days. So why type so much when all you’re trying to say is, “skill issue”? Because you’re talking to yourself. You are self-soothing the cognitive dissonance you feel from reading our comments. You are reassuring yourself so you don’t have to change your prior beliefs.
That’s why you “won’t budge” on this topic. You’re not discussing the same topic as us, or even talking to us. You’re just coping with your own cognitive dissonance.
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I had assumed if you are a Marksman…you’d best be good at shooting your weapon. meh, they don’t need a pet.
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I think its more that I realize the desire for a pet is fueled sololy by people wanting a hp wall between them and mobs so they can afk fire from range.
I fully and deeply understand the arguments for. Heck I pvp to elite or duelist ( depends where the mog rewards I want stop) I understand why pets are wanted in pvp.
Im not some boggie man or uniformed ape. I play at the highest levels of almost every game mode. I just don’t agree with you.
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I think this approach is a bad move.
I only play MM on my hunter and and I almost never use my pet in group content but I do enjoy the collecting aspect of it and using my pet out in the open world.
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There should be a quid pro quo, and i only scanned the notes but it looks like theyre providing replacement abilities, not just gutting the spec
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This is both moving the goalposts and another strawman. I said I micro-managed my pet. I have petattack and petfollow bound to my mouse. I interact far more with my pet as MM than as BM or SV because MM and their pet are both less resilient than BM or SV so you need to do things like pull your pet back to save it from suffering a killing blow long enough for a tick or two of mend to heal them up enough to survive the hit.
It also doesn’t make sense to frame something that’s been part of the spec for its entire existence as an “addition”. We’re not talking about “adding zero interaction pets to MM”. We’re talking about losing the pets we’ve had for years. But that’s less convenient, right?
And nobody is saying all specs should be equal in delves. Again, we’re talking about one spec becoming drastically less viable, to the point of being kicked to lower tiers, and/or requiring significantly more effort to play well in similar content. Kiting for 100+ yards on every pull takes a lot more work than sending your pets in and popping Bestial Wrath and Survival of the Fittest while you burn down the pack. And keep in mind that BM and SV still have most or all of the CC and kiting abilities that MM does.
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From what I read, it looks like they are somewhat reinventing mm.
Tbh I might give it a go for the first time since legion.
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Yeah this is exactly what i mean. A rework like this brings in new blood. Ive played exisitng MM and its not for me.
I get being mad if you love MM. But almost all specs get reworked. Thats life. Again, i wish i had spectral recovery. I wish Ancestral Protection was baseline so i could try it. But what can you do? Life goes on.
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What’s that got to do with anything?
There is challenge and there is “you can’t do it without a tank”.
This is not Vanilla, and we’re not talking about farming.
Any opponent with snare immunity and strong hits and you’re cooked as mage.
Zaralek Elite area was a nightmare as a mage, even after that patch, and a breeze as a hunter.
Alter Time isn’t even that good, really. You can only use it to max effectiveness when there is a predictable damage spike incoming. It’s my most hated addition to the mage toolkit.
I wouldn’t mind them changing to the Eagle as an option/talents, but outright removing pets is bad.
At least they didn’t destroy the spec and made it a melee one like they did with SV, which was my main spec for years.
Either way, all that this does is force me to go BM for soloing, and since I don’t like spec flip flopping, I’ll either main BM or quit hunters.
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Stormstrike can now be used without an offhand weapon, dealing only its main hand weapon damage.
Inching closer and closer to Shaman Tank. Elements protect.
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I remember partying with some of those a long time ago. It was dreadful.
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Since MM is unofficially supposed to use Lonewolf i get it… but no pets at all seems rubbish.
What about soloing… spec swap to BM or Surv. I guess but still… kinda bunk.
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I haven’t played Mage a whole lot, but my recollection is that they have much stronger CC because they’ve traditionally been classified as a “control class”. For example, if you accidentally break freezing trap on a hunter, you’re out of luck until it comes off CD. If you accidentally break polymorph on a mage, you recast it.
I’ve also been under the impression that most mage specs synergize strongly with CC. When they frost nova a pack of enemies, they can land some guaranteed crits on them. When a hunter uses tar trap to immobilize a pack of enemies, they just get 3 seconds of breathing room that they can spend either on getting distance or firing an aimed shot.
The sentiment your quoting is essentially, “I don’t appreciate the majority trampling the minority,” but rather than responding to that you acted as if they were questioning the very existence of the phenomenon. You essentially said, “Well the majority usually rules and that’s just how it is.” Which isn’t a response to, “I dislike when the majority tramples the minority.”
It’s been covered. They don’t have mage-level CC and without a pet would rely heavily on kiting. How do you think delves that require you to carry a resource that diminishes as you move would go if you had to kite for 100+ yards on most pulls? Have you tried? I have. I’ve tried Lone Wolf MM at T8.
It doesn’t matter how efficiently you use your abilities.
It doesn’t matter if you drop the candle or air purifier and kite around it.
It doesn’t matter if you try to kite back and forth between refueling stations, when that’s even an option.
Eventually you’ll be fighting a rare or boss or an empowered pack and your CC and kiting won’t be enough.
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