Which season was that? Cuz my first glad season was legion season 4. Was that super inflated ? I just remember the meta being plagued with double spriests, spriest/boomy, double DH mistweaver but I sure dont remember the amount of inflation you refer to.
So why are there fewer sub rogues than survival hunters? Yeah I know you probably didn’t really read anything I typed and assumed I played sin and had an impulse to leave a useless reply. It’s like a knee-jerk reaction.
Don’t really need to be humble to a 15 yearlong 1750 capped player who hides behind other people’s words because he has nothing to show from himself.
Yes you can bring that statistic to the r1 top rated players you love to cite so much and have them confirm that it’s a certificate of higher skill than anything I have to offer.
You vastly over-estimate how much people look up to post-MoP gladiators, let alone rogue gladiators, let alone “multiglad 3k+ XP on rogue/hunter/pally” gladiators who are actually barely 2100 hunters.
2100 in the first week of BFA is literally far rarer than rogue glads, I’m sorry to break it to you sweaty. It’s not that RBGs are prestigious, it’s that the things you’re proud of are not.
You know what I’m proud of? My mog. I look sick. You look nauseating. We ain’t the same.
There is a vast difference between pre-bfa gladiators looking down on bfa gladiators. And even if what you say is 100% correct, there’s a vast difference between wrath/cata/mop gladiators looking down on post-mop gladiators and non-gladiators looking down on gladiators of any kind. Sadly you belong in the non-gladiator group.
And yeah like I said, I’m sure you can bring that statistic over to the top end pvpers and have them verify you are a better pvper than all rogues out there who are mere glads. Please do so because it’ll entertain me to no end. In fact, go tag Dillon since you mentioned him previously and wave him your sick 2100 first week feat that outshines everything us filthy rogues can accomplish
You obviously didn’t read my initial response and instead immediately questioned my reading comprehension. Let me refresh you on what actually was said, that way we both don’t have to question each other:
Notice the conjunction “and” that I used after stating you didn’t get glad until Legion (I stated this, because it is not something to brag about considering most of the OG gladiators are salty AF at how easy rogue has become - particularly in Legion). I then added an additional statement (hence the conjunction I used) which stated that this season was the most inflated season in WoW history - thus, your Glad is more akin to 2.2k skill level and awareness in S15 of MoP than S4 BFA.
So if you played in Legion S4 it’s doubtful you were sub, if you were, kudos man. Seriously. But it’s highly suspect that you picked up the “harder” of the rogue specs and skillfully shot from zero glad experience to glad in 1 xpac playing Sub. If I’m wrong, and you’re just an incredibly skilled savant, then I’ll eat my words, but I think you can agree, it’s still highly suspect. I imagine you played assa more than sub - and if you did, you were carried by gpie into combust.
So this what we call ad hominem (you attack the person, not the argument). Throughout my post to you, I simply stated that bragging about your CR and Glad XP in what is known by most high ranked players as the 2 worst Ranked PVP xpacs in the history of the game due to the fact the skill floor to Glad was lowered for many classes (Rogue especially) is nothing to brag about. You got glad - fantastic - we’ll see how high you get as Sub in Slands (since that’s apparently your glad spec).
Also my 15 year long 1750 cap isn’t a true statement. I was 2.2k in MoP season 15 as MM hunter. Deployed as a CSAR Corpsman (Naval Special Programs, stands for Combat Search and Rescue Corpsman) during most of WoD and part of Legion. I came back in BFA and dinked around in 2’s in BFA Season 4 and got 2175 (duelist) in under 210 games played - compared to your 900+ this past season and probably full GW sin rogue who says he played sub). I was also Survival. Get your rating on a SV hunter in Slands and I’ll gladly defer that you are a better player than I admittedly tagged you to be. The fact you defend yourself and revert to ad hominem while bragging about your 2017-2020 year glad as rogue (easiest training wheel class atm apart from DH and Destro), is evident you’re probably pretty insecure and so you puff your chest out and hope somebody backs down and recognizes you’re good - which i’m not saying you’re not, I’m saying you’re not as good as you’re claiming to be there hard-dog.
So, mostly to just steer this away from the constant bickering that has apparently been going on for the past several hours, I’m curious what current survival hunters are hoping for going into SL? I’ve seen some mention the spec is completely fine for them (which is cool I suppose), and others bring up things like mongoose bite and wanting changes to the talents.
Judging from an earlier post from the OP, I think that’s probably the intended focus for the thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNn6mbfzChU&ab_channel=Zedo
Here, I didn’t upload any vods i have from season 4 but my mage did and I’m sure you have the IQ and eyesight to discern the rogue’s name(me) and the spec I played. Oh and in case you are highly suspect you can check the date of the video and the date of the season.
So then eat your words and save me the trouble of reading anything else you have to say?
I want MB baseline, I’d also prefer if fury of the eagle came back to the game but I’d wager there’s literally 0% chance of that happening since I’m the only person who ever mentions it nowadays.
I’d also prefer flanking strike to take the spot of kill command. If I wanted my character to randomly flail his arm upward and yell at the pet, I’d have picked BM. I know flanking strike was subject to numerous issues including pathing but its something blizz could have fixed with enough effort. Allegedly in SL they fixed warrior’s heroic leap pathing issues so why not flanking strike?
Also boring thoughtless talent choices shouldnt be the best talent choices. I’m specifically looking at Bloodseeker being more meta than steel trap/crows. And Coordinated Assault is the archetype of boring flat dmg % increase CDs that should be removed from the game entirely in terms of design. And having the talent Birds of Prey be a boring CA extender that is also the meta pick in its talent row is such an uninspired design. Yes I know wildfire bomb infusion is the meta pick in pvp and dungeon content but the very existence of such a talent offends me.
Pet res cast time change reverted, because that could severe impact our viability as any spec but marks.
That’s literally it. I don’t want or need any other changes, I’m very pleased with the current playstyle and power level.
Early Shadowlands will be rough for surv because of haste. That’s no big deal and occurs every expansion.
Pet res cast time will lead to a lot of cheesy kill-the-pet-to-force-the-turtle strategies unless it’s either reverted, heart of the phoenix is returned, or pets are made extremely more durable.
So honestly, survival is in a decent spot IF we could get some certain abilities baseline. Namely Alpha Predator and Mongoose Bite. I’d love to see Guerilla Tactics baseline too, but the aforementioned would be number 1 priority. I doubt this will make it to Slands release due to the fact that other talents would need to be implemented - something I don’t think the Devs have time for.
I think the biggest downfall for MSV is the utility provided for the damage we output- we bring nothing to the table apart from damage pve wise - lust is provided by others. That said, our bombs have zero target cap, and carve is only utilized to reduce the CD on bomb, thus we might have a spot in M+ due to AoE cap. The potential for topping meters is there, and SV has always pumped when played correctly, it just doesn’t bring what other melee bring and that is it’s downfall IMO. Topping meters doesn’t down mythic bosses, supporting the rest of the team during mechanics seems to be the answer. BM does a better job at that, as does Monk, DH, Fury, etc…
The biggest change I’m hoping to see is the 4 sec pet rez reverted to 2 sec. Right now pets are incredibly squishy, and in PVP it basically kills the spec as our resource generation (and dmg in bloodseeker - currently superior talent) is 100% tied to our pet - not to mention Roar of Sac, Master’s Call, Mortal Strike, etc…
I understand that RSV was destroyed for MSV, and I hate that. I’ve raided and pvp’d successfully at higher than average skill level from Vanilla till now, and losing RSV really sucked. But having been MSV all of BFA, I have to say that I’ve changed my perception and believe it’s one of the best designed specs in the game. Not everybody agrees with me, and that’s okay, but it’s objectively a fun and engaging playstyle. I really hope Blizz can bring some justice to this incredibly fun spec.
That sounds like a great way to end up stuck in melee when you don’t really want to be, because you need focus. That’s not really how the jousty playstyle of surv works
It’ll also result in us having an even easier time of landing traps compared to the other two specs, and result in more complaints about how oppressive surv hunters are (particularly in 2s)
I’ll eat my words, you got it as Sub. Awesome man. I’m thrilled for you - I genuinely mean that. All that said, and for competitive sake, I"ll try and not resort to ad hominem about the mouthbreathing mage you played with, nor the fact that you ignored literally everything else in my post in order to save whatever ego you feel is worth saving playing RMP. Do it on other classes and I’ll be impressed. Until then, stop bragging about your Glad rogue xp in legion and bfa and go do some push ups their killer.
You said you’d eat your words but you keep trailing on and on and on with additional words. Why? It’s like an infant trying to eat something and ending up drooling it all off his mouth.
Also, the 15 yearlong 1750 capped comment wasnt even made about you, I said that to the other goblin hunter but just as you assume my spec, it must be like a knee-jerk assumption that people are automatically talking about you. Insecure much?
I assumed you were talking to me because it was in a reply to MY post to you. I apologize for assuming that.
Anyways, this back and forth serves zero purpose but to clog SV feedback that I assume (hopefully correctly this time) we both want to see positive changes in.
Best of luck to you next season in Slands (should be easy for you since Sub is broken good). I mean that man - got no hate in my heart for you, just hoping to teach you some humility (something I need to work on as well).
For me, someone who has played it occasionally casually since its introduction in legion (I did all three mage tower challenges including survival, which I know isn’t exactly impressive but just showing I have / had some understanding of the spec at least ^^) one of my main complaints outside of gameplay is the seemingly conflicting themes going on with the spec.
What I mean by that, is there’s this weird mix with bombs, a wildman fighting style (in my opinon), and a focus on the hunter and pet. Now, I think there’s room for multiple bits or takes on survival, but I feel like there’s a bit much going on there, most of that is baked into the spec baseline (IIRC, I only came back recently to the game about a week ago, correct me if I’m wrong).
I think it would be interesting to see a more coherent theme, even if the gameplay remains the same.
I think that coherent theme needs to be on the melee aspect of the spec. And I can guarantee I’ll be the minority on this opinion because most people would favor the ranged aspect of the spec OR at least the mix of melee & range that BFA envisioned. I have a pretty big bias toward legion’s survival design and would be okay if the devs werent afraid of making the spec more melee heavy. You mentioned the bombs, but not needing a ranged weapon for kill shot & tranq shot while needing one for arcane shot is just bizarre. Not to mention my hunter takes out a generic crossbow to toss serpent sting but somehow he can’t do the same for arcane shot? There’s also aspect of the eagle. When that ability was first implemented in bfa beta I thought it was a joke. Swing the weapon and shoot spiritual eagles from a range. But it wasn’t a joke…
Fantasy wise, lacerate was cooler than serpent sting, and flanking strike was cooler than kill command. In terms of convenience, obviously the spells I named would pale in comparison because they are purely melee abilities, but I miss legion survival design and the one offered in BFA & SL isn’t really the same.
? I just remember the meta being plagued with double spriests, spriest/boomy, double DH mistweaver but I sure dont remember the amount of inflation you refer to.
