Cuz I’m kinda tired of coming to hunter class forums hoping for survival changes and seeing nothing since 2019. It’s kinda funny & sad how, whenever a new patch note is up on mmo-rpg, I scroll down to the Hunter section and it doesn’t even surprise me that there’s not a single line regarding survival’s design. Maybe it’s time to drop it and move on!
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Survival doesn’t need changes, it’s in a great place design-wise. All survival needs is the pet res cast time change reverted.
Survival is being left alone because the people that actually play it already like it how it is. It’s the single highlight of BFA class design.
Blizzard isn’t going to alienate survival mains to appeal to BM and Marks mains. Not everything is designed for you.
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As someone who mained it all xpac it defs needs work and once you step into shadow lands and move lose all your passives it starts feeling sluggish
Goose bite needs to be base line
We need a talent rework still
The bones is great the flesh is rotten though
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Thats a great way to describe the spec right now. Blizzard is so close to making survival a great spec, they just need to focus in a little more on the main theme of the spec, and flesh it out better.
I feel like if we just changed the spec to focus a little more on traps and hunter tools, along with a competitive talent tree, and the removal of pet reliance, we would be gold.
You get a lot of that borrowed power back in other forms
The only issue Surv has is low haste in early SL
Goose doesn’t need to be baseline. Tip of the spear/raptor strike + pet talents is competitive too, particularly when haste levels are low.
This is my perspective as someone who also “mained it all expac”
Don’t be afraid from venturing past last expacs cookie cutter build. We actually have talent options.
Wtf? Did he OP even say anything about BM/MM?
Sounds like you got beef with BM/MM more than anyone else atm.
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I’m not sure OP even has a max level hunter, I only see multiple rogues on his profile on tracking sites.
But yes I do have a bone to pick with people that don’t play Surv wanting the spec changed, because almost everyone that mains it enjoys the current design.
You new to the hunter forums? There’s a lot of history on this topic.
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That’s not actually true. Plenty of MSV players want the spec changed, you don’t have to take my word for it - look at all the threads in the hunter forums.
And no, I’m not new and I’m quite aware of the controversy the failed experiment that is MSV has created, looking forward to when it’s finally deleted from the game. Or eternally benched, I don’t mind either way 
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We don’t gain any compensation in CDR for wild fire bomb, we lose max focus and lucid dreams and get nothing back to replace it
Goose bite still demolished tip of the spear as far as I could tell even at lower haste levels and the gap widens as you gain more haste
We lose a lot of the fluidity we gained
Both of them?
Did you break out in laughter while writing this? SV is one if the least played specs in the game. Only Sub Rogue was consistently lower and since Subs are getting a boost, SV looks promising to take the last spot in SL. The whole concept is disliked by the vast majority of players and needs some major rethinking.
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It’s a niche spec with passionate players
You never find high xp Surv hunters complaining about the design
It doesn’t need chamges. I hate when my specs get reworked for no reason.
That’s because the far larger volume of high-XP hunters that tried it realized that it was a flaming dumpsterfire of a spec that brings nothing over the other two, while taking up one of those precious melee slots that could be better filled by a more useful spec, and thus swapped back to ranged. You know, the role hunters are supposed to fill.
MSV is a pariah of a spec, and it’ll never be anything more. The 7 players that actually enjoy it aren’t worth even the maintenance cost.
Really, the more caustic y’all MSV players are, the more I’m in the same boat as Danski:
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I have said it in previous threads before and I’ll say it again. I believe the lack of major changes to SV stem from either:
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Blizz is overall happy with how the spec plays/performs hence there are little changes
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Blizz plans on gutting and or retooling the spec (next expansion) I guess and thus sees not point in “fixing” SV now if it will end up being majorly changed next expansion.
I obviously hope it is point 1 and I hope blizz doesn’t go back to ranged SV post SL, but I have no idea, I don’t work for blizz, I can only speculate.
Or 3: Ion regrets pushing SV to melee, but his pride cannot stand the hit of admitting he was wrong about it, so he’s settled on simply pretending it doesn’t exist.
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Then why is every top hunter in pvp a survival player, and why do almost all of them love the spec?
MSV is only a “pariah” in pve, and that’s not the specs fault; its the fault of other melee having too much raid utility. MSV is absolutely not a “pariah” in pvp, its a cherished and respected spec.
Really, the more caustic y’all MSV players are, the more I’m in the same boat as Danski:
Nobody cares what boat a DH player is in. Surv is not meant for you.
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I’d love a citation for “almost all of them love the spec”. As for why, it’s very simple: BM and MM are complete garbage in PvP. If you want to PvP, your options are MSV or reroll, and given the total representation of hunters in PvP, most people chose “reroll”.
I’ve not mained my DH since BoD, and my hunter is by far my most played character over my WoW career.
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It’s this one. They’ve said as much multiple times.
Blizzard is rightfully ignoring the amount of vitriol from people that dislike MSV because the spec is clearly beloved by the people who do play it.
It’s never people like Dillon that are saying MSV is bad or in need of a rework; it’s people who are obsessed with hunters only fulfilling the Legolas archetype, and hunters who are alts of DHs and rogues.
BFA had some harsh points for MSV, but it wasn’t the specs fault; it was the fault of other classes being overtuned or having access to broken pve items. Even in the lowest points of BFA, surv was very viable in the right hands.
It’s a much higher skillcap spec than MM and BM of course, and we’d be lying if we pretended that wasn’t part of the equation. The playstyle is not truly melee except in pve, it’s a mid-range jousting spec, and that’s a playstyle that most people aren’t familiar with unless they have history with early WW monk and a few other niche hit-and-run specs historically.
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That is a possibility, but I would have to hope that if blizz saw MSV as a failure then they would make major changes to SV, Ion’s pride be dammed. A good leader, a good work place (at least in my experience) is one that is willing to admit mistakes, to fix things that don’t work as opposed to “we know this is crap but it is the pet project of Senior guy X so we won’t touch it”. - I do hope this is not the case of SV (assuming blizz sees MSV as a failure).
Ya, but Ion clearly isn’t one of those.
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