So if i dont need FR for MC

[Hathosse-moknathal]

@Williams-akama

Not saying you’re incompetent, I am trying to point out that your goal is totally unrealistic.

I believe that those actively practicing and making the effort, such as the Shaman GM with 700 days play-time (yes, 700 days), have a better idea of what is feasible.

@Williams-akama

It’s true you don’t need a total pre-raid BiS / consumables; it’s not needed, but you then need to make up for the that with both competent players (should be easy) and a full raid of 40 because of the low output you’re going to have when you’re in greens.

Having 40 competent players isn’t an issue for… you know, hardcore raiding guilds. Here is an excerpt from another post:

@Hathosse-moknathal

Here is a list of 249 actively recruiting Classic WoW guilds: docs google com/spreadsheets/d/1e7nMh8IaH5mNZ7MOx2it8MF7ULYdCIT0VqO6ubaUDq4/edit#gid=0
And that is months before the game is even released. Even more so, many of those guilds have over 100 members each planning to aim for the world first.

@Williams-akama

Regardless of the the gear vs skill, you still need players who’re not hunters and warlocks… Hunters, locks and mages are the go to classes for the speed leveling players.

Warriors, rogues, paladin, priests, druids and shaman are not, and you need some of these to raid. Sure you can level in groups, but you’re again harmed by actual vanilla spawn rates and the lack of dynamic spawns on your ideal path.

There have been major strides in leveling in the past decade. It isn’t 2005 where only Hunters can level quickly. With what I know, it is feasible, and I am curious about what the best guilds will be capable with, considering how insane the amount of work they are putting into leveling has been. If you want to learn more, join a hardcore guild, as I am not going to post for you any of my work. Check out that list above for some good ones.

@Williams-akama

Are the private server XP values actually true? Do you know that for certain?

No, they aren’t. We know that they aren’t exact. None of us think that. I’m glad we agree. Now, did you know that the speed-levelers putting thousands of hours into practice know that as well? Yeah, they aren’t stupid.

@Williams-akama

Have you factored in even the smaller things like no joke leveling speeds based on mundane and almost trivial things while leveling such as the armor values of the NPC’s you’re fighting, and how glancing blows, misses, dodges, parry, and resist apply here? I know it’s not much but over 60 levels and 117 hrs /played that’s actually a factor to consider.

That is a genuine concern, and we’ll see how it all plays out. Although, my guess is that stronger 1.12 talents will balance out or increase leveling performance.

@Williams-akama

Then there is the seemingly mundane stuff like the use of food, bandages, health potions, mana potions if you’re even using this stuff.

That is all considered in speed-leveling.

@Williams-akama

I am not trying to derail your dreams, but I just don’t think you guys have really considered all these seemingly small and mundane details… It’s always the mundane details that ruin projects like this.

I am not trying to derail your arguments, but there is a lot you don’t know about speed-leveling and the speed-leveling community. Please look into it. Check out some public guides, practice streams (not endorsing any illegal activity), discussions on discords and podcasts, and active figureheads in the community. It very much appears to me that there is a lot you need to catch up on.