Like even as healer, which I consider my best role, I average like 50-70 parses (adjusted for ilvl). DPS I average like 50-60 (on Aug I average around 40). I don’t know why I average so low when I can have basically 100% uptime and don’t fumble my rotation often, maybe I run builds that suck or something.
But I have really good mechanics, and learn fights in a pull or two to the point that I can teach other people how to do it and take on extra mechanics like touching the bubble on Queen, or marking eggs on Brood in NP (and I use rescue to fix positional errors on eggs if needed), etc. By like pull 2 or 3 I really don’t make egregious mistakes.
What role is best for that? I spent a week and a half wiping to Princess Whatsherface, with like 6-7 different groups, I can’t get Brood down, so I feel like maybe I’m a common link in those wipes.
I want to get into mythic raiding, but that’s not likely given how poorly I parse.
Edit: As an update, I went and downloaded the warcraft logs uploader, checked WoW Analyzer (and it didn’t really complain about what I did), and my prevoker now averages around 80, getting up to the 90s for some fights (I think just more parses, so mine looks better by comparison), and my aug sits around 70 (after tweaking some things in my build). My monk is also sitting around upper 70s with super bad gear. Is that enough for mythic guilds?
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Back in DF during Aberrus raid I came across Warcraft Logs and asked myself the same question. Pug raider, so I was standing heavily around 30/40 on parses. Then I started testing. You parse higher by basically min/maxing every aspect of a fight which includes:
iLvl - the higher, the better (with full tier set ofcourse and best in slot for your spec);
Best and all enchants, gems;
Consumables - best and all consumables - flasks, potions, runes (augment/vantus), food;
Talents, rotation and skipping some mechs for more damage;
Proper raid group - buffs from other classes, situational awareness - if they min/max the particular boss too, this will boost your parse too.
Certain classes/specs will do better than other in a particular season/patch.
In general, parsing isn’t only about knowing the mechs. A high parse is the result of taking all things from above in consideration and having the gold and good rng to execute it.
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Worrying too much about parses on healer is probably a mistake. There’s a point where there’s just not enough output, but because of there only being as much useful healing as there is damage taken, the top healing parses are going to come down to external factors like how much non-fatal damage people walk into, and how trigger happy your co-healers are.
If you want to look at logs as a healer, a bigger approach is to look at where people died, and then look at output during that specific phase.
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For your dps parses you can use wow analyzer to see what you’re doing wrong. And of course pot/flasks/food makes a difference. If you want to get into mythic raiding then you’re going to have to work on cleaning up your play not switching roles so you don’t have to lol
Problem is I’m not willing to do something like play arcane mage with the phoenix and mash two buttons into infinity, because I enjoy fire mage and frostfire makes it even more hectic and enjoyable – but I parse like a 50 because of that.
Just like how on my prevoker I enjoy the build I have, rather than the meta build with chrono and ignoring so much of your kit.
So I wanna know what role or spec is the least detrimental doing that.
Aug parses will 100% be reliant on your group being able to make full use of your buffs, in addition to using your buffs on the right people at the right time rather than simple uptime. Aug is also probably one of the worst specs to play as a pug DPS in raid because ‘just winging it’ with strangers as Aug will always net much lower results than just going as Dev.
Knowing mechanics is the primary thing to focus on, a 100 parse on HPS means either taking fewer healers than normal (thus requiring more healing throughput) or the group is taking more avoidable damage and you are just healing through it. Getting a high parse as DPS could be a wide range of things depending on the fights and sometimes end up as a result of tunneling or padding (or just being lucky and not being targeted by a mechanic that would cost uptime).
Overall, learn mechanics first, sort out optimizations after. The kind of group that will take you with what you are good at (regardless if what you are good at is meta or not) depends from group to group. My guild is currently letting me play as Flameshaper Devastation for raid, even if Scalecommander performs better, I personally perform better with Flameshaper.
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You’re not parsing 50 because you’re playing a different spec, you’re parsing 50 because youre not playing that spec as well as other people playing that spec.
Your fire mage parses are relative to fire only, it has nothing to do with arcane. Now it could have to do with your hero spec; sunfury might just be that much better than frostfire idk. If you’re not willing to play whats best for the team though then you’re gonna have a harder time finding a team to mythic raid with.
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No idea, people usually order BM Hunters I thought to handle a lot of mechanics since they can move/shoot at the same time. You’re just parsing bad because you’re so focused on the mechanics and not enough on your rotation, not sure it’s even a class issue. Obviously you’re gonna parse less if you’re always stopping to do certain mechanics because you’re noticing them etc. Maybe you just need to trust other people to be on stuff. They will never learn if they don’t ever die or get hurt by not doing it if you always do it for them lol.
I have the opposite problem, I often top/near the top of DPS meters but I get trolled by Mechanics and don’t like doing them. Even when I know what I’m doing, it still seems hard. You can do the mechanics and I’ll just kill the boss with raw power. Sounds like a plan to me lol.
“I want to get into mythic raiding, but that’s not likely given how poorly I parse”
That is such a huge wall to climb regardless, the best gamers in the world wipe multiple times to the bosses on Mythic and the higher bosses especially take many, many pulls to down even when you think you know what you’re doing, so there’s just a steep learning curve regardless. It was content designed to challenge and be hard for very skilled players, so even when you get really good- it’s still going to hurt your feelings and I think tolerating Mythic is more of a test of emotional endurance than anything really. If you really have the drive and patience to be challenged by Ion’s narcissism, you could make it work. I don’t so I don’t touch that content lol. I need to save my ambitions for other things, like tying my shoes properly lol. And I would think doing mechanics in Mythics is obviously more important but really both are due to enrage timers etc. While everybody of course would like the best loot in the game and Mythic tier loot, the trade-off for that gear is essentially being tortured and learning to enjoy being a masochist. Yeah I know, the first few bosses on Mythic raid tend to not be that hard and even puggable at times, but then it gets REAL hard and that’s where most people give up.
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Just saying parsing as a healer will only hit high when your group is lacking healers and you’re soloing.
Healing parses is the boss died and your group won with as few dead as possible. Parsing for healers is unimportant.
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The difference between a 60 and an 80 parse is never wasting a proc during the fight. From 80-90 is properly timing your dps cooldowns so you are burning at the right times. 90-95 is having the right stat priority on your gear. 95-98 is getting PI. 98-99 is using the right consumables and at the right times. Top 100 is perfect execution by you, your tanks, your healers, and the rest of the team being strong enough to make the fight short.
First priority should always be getting the boss down followed closely by doing the mechanics in a way that doesn’t make it harder than it needs to be. Your personal parse only becomes a factor once every other aspect of the boss fight has been crossed off the list. Tools like WowAnalyzer are helpful at finding any glaring problems you have during a fight but should not be taken as gospel. Every class is going to have its own little tricks for maximizing and squeezing that last 5% of capacity from but living and dying on what a third party number says instead of celebrating a boss kill with your team can pretty easily suck the fun out of the game.
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You aren’t being compared to arcane mages if you are playing fire - so your performance is rated against other fire mages
If you are wanting to know which spec is more forgiving you can compare the logs for all vs logs for top 20%. The specs who do well in the all logs but not as well in the top logs usually means not much room for higher levels of play.
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Probably tank.
Or like, BM hunter or Ret pal.
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Ilvl helps but that only helps but so much
Also not as detrimental as you’re claiming. It’s good to have but you can also do well with rank 2 flasks ect.
Proper talents help but doesn’t matter if you’re playing poorly.
Worrying about parsing in general is counterproductive.
@op
Your best bet to perform well is spend a few hours on a target funny as dps. This will be your biggest gain.
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I hadn’t heard about WoWAnalyzer, and on my prevoker I checked Princess, for example, and it mostly said good things.
Same for aug, it complained I wasn’t targeting specific people with prescience, but otherwise was overall happy with what I was doing.
So I don’t know why I’m parsing so low then.
My mage it’s out of date apparently, so I have no clue.
A “high parse” (90-100) is really about timing of the overall fight, and not just “a SHORT fight.”
Because if you have 90s CDs, then you want the fight to last 3:09, not 3:40. And to your point, you DEFINITELY don’t want it to be 2:58. A shorter fight is WORSE for you!
Understand the difference?
When it’s 3:09, you not only have two windows in which to blow your CDs and use all of your abilities while buffed, but for the second burst, as soon as you run out of gas… the fight is over. HUGE parse!!!
But in the 3:40 example, you burn your second set of CDs and then… you coast for more than 30s.
Wave goodbye to your parse. Meanwhile, everything else about your gameplay is the same.
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most healing parses are from groups underhealing the fight, so don’t worry about
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I can do Most instances and the Kessle Run in under 50 parses easily.
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Want to know how to parse as a healer ? Tell your dps to stand in more stuff.
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those arnt horrible parses? like thats literally just avg. horrible parses would be grey parsing.
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Tank. Know where to stand? Can listen to dbm to taunt? Thats al you need.