So have we given up the fight against botting or what?

They ban in waves allegedly, but I think they should ban the bots asap, IMHO. Also, you should blame the gold buyers. They are too cheap to buy WoW tokens, and they are so ignorant because they could have their accounts compromised in the process of buying gold.

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The wave frequency needs to be increased big time. Crank up the aggression and go on the offensive for once.

O I do. They should face harsher punishments for sure.

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Botting has zero impact on my gameplay to be honest. I can still make a modest amount of gold with most gathering professions if you skill them up. They’re completely irrelevant in every other form of content I run (18-20 mythic+, very rarely raid normal/heroic).

If anything, they’ve done a great job at designing a game that stops bitters from materially impacting me. I can login, do my objectives and progress my toons, and log out.

I gather as well. I am making like 75% less than I used to. No joke. 75% less. Botters have farmed this game to oblivion and dropped the prices of everything. Ore, gems, spores, you name it the price has dropped and dropped, while the token gets more and more expensive.

You gotta be pretty shortsighted to say “zero impact”. Maybe you just choose not to see it, buts its there.

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Botting or this GDKP has never affected or infected my playing


Well thats great man. Both are against the rules however.

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Sad because some people like to gather. It was fun and you could make a decent chunk of change doing it. Now, it’s to the point for some people that it’s actually smarter time-wise to just buy them.

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Bro I have a alchemist. Rather than gather and make stuff, its actually cheaper / less hassle for me to just buy w/e I need. Thus totally invalidating the use of my alchemist. I dont like that


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Yeah, very sad indeed. I’m sorry, friend. Sounds like you really enjoyed the professions. Another sad side-effect of botting for all those “What do you care, it doesn’t affect you” people out there.

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Player consumption dropped alongside prices. Lower pops further in a patch cycle, less people pushing content, less people crafting gear, etc.

You’re attributing all the price movement to supply when demand is an important part of that equation.

We are just pointing out your “zero impact” slogan is incorrect sir. Just because you choose not to notice the dmg bots are doing, does not mean it is not there.

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I said zero impact to me. :dracthyr_nod:

Not saying it’s zero impact, any supply will impact price. That’s fundamental economics.

Demand is a big driver here though
and I think demand is pretty inelastic for gear upgrades. 2 embellishments are BiS and VERY easy to target (more so than any other gear). Every player is going to craft BiS embellished gear (2) in the first month after you get your sparks. Players are going to craft those almost regardless of price (look at how many people had double leggos in SL despite some of the base pieces going for 40-60k on some servers AFTER the prices settled.

After your first 2 BiS embellished pieces, demand falls off a cliff. You’re not really incentivized to craft those other 3-4 slots right now, and you’re at the mercy of what is going to drop for you. You can brute force this often times in guild groups through m+ and funneling gear to a party member.

Meta impacts demand. Drop rates throttle supply. Hello lariat for 3 seasons


Enchanting demand slows as gear turnover slows.

Major slot piece demand slows as catalyst charges pile up.

So let’s zero in on alchemy. Less guilds are pushing and less m+ people are potting/flashing in dungeons. The craft is irrelevant for rated pvp or crafting (2 game pillars). If I can easily time an 18 once a week for my mistweaver, why waste gold on potting or flasking? Even on my Alts, I’d rather just push to 11s asap and invite 2k+ players looking for easy flightstones.

Do bots help? No. Are they the sole driving force? Also, no. We’ve also had substantial gold drops in the economy for the past 4 expansions and the introduction of the wow token to lessen 3rd party impact. We have routine ban waves when enough fish are in the net.

The game has never really been a farm sim (excluding mop lol), and it’s never been insanely lucrative to gather except brief periods of time to ride demand. I was making almost 50-70k/ hour for a few days straight when ZM dropped in SL farming chests. Easy 200k a day for about a week. It wasn’t that I all of a sudden saw 10x the competition when prices bottomed out, it’s that server demand just abruptly fell. There was no continued use for the leggo crafting reagent once you had what you needed.

Well I guess the discussion is over then. No need for the giant wall of text explaining what I all ready know. Your fine with bots ruining the economy b/c it keeps everything cheap for you. Thats great. Shortsighted af, but great.

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How do you not know this? When you see the same bots youve reported in the same spot for over a month
its obvious that nothing or extremely little is being done.

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To be fair its a fight that can’t be won.

In the end Blizzard hasn’t cared nor will ever care.

They only do the minimum for PR emergency reasons.

It’ll be the year 2050 and people will still be allowed to AHK bot script an RDP window to WoW in another user session on windows.

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On thrall there is literal entire guilds of bots. Just botting away every single day for months on end. Thats how I know personally


I mean your probably right. But until they legalize it they should enforce their own rules in the game. I honestly think its greed. The bots pay a sub so they dont really care


Sadly this is what I think also.

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Last night I finally seen 7 botters in Azure and yeah they were not individuals using there dragonriding at top speed to nodes and some how not drawing aggro from the creatures around them. GG, even herbing can become a scary situation in the early morning when they all drop down on you to get the node you’re on. :dracthyr_nervous_animated:

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Last night I reported a lvl 2 for botting the AH. They arent even touching the market I am working on, but caught them bugging out directly.

Theyve been parked next to my dedicated AH toon every time I swap to my said AH toon down in booty bay. I didnt think much of it as the “cushion toy trick” didnt work on them like some others Ive reported before. I finally noticed the botter is using a smarter bot that logs out and back in constantly when there is an error condition present. We’re talking a blatant botted autolog loop every 20 seconds many times over. The error condition here being that there is no AH npc present because I ganked it.

Basically people are botting the AH with impunity for an entire year every day with no bans. If it comes down to fellow users having to bot check and then figure out the “glitching” then Blizzard has failed. Especially since I know Blizzard is gonna toss out the report I sent in.

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I honestly didnt notice this stuff until I moved to a high pop server. But now on thrall, I see stuff like this every single day. I have been on my new server for about 4 months, and within those 4 months I am seeing the same bots botting away every single day without issue. Literal entire guilds of bots
just operating without issue. Its crazy.

On a side note, save my day one server Arthas. It has been low pop for years now. Thanks


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