Actually seems like a great quest line, and in a way that annoys me all the more. Their total failure to address to the “past mistake” everyone remembers leaves me apathetic to the Kirin Tor’s fate. I mean really, you’re going to tell that story through Aethas Sunreaver and Jaina Proudmoore and still weasel around it? Wild.
Although I’m amused despite myself that Jaina and Aethas are apparently back on the council together. All the best to Runeweaver and Vargoth and the other guy in whatever dungeon Xal has them in, but for how prominent the Kirin Tor is they were really underwhelming characters.
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You make it sound like he gave permission in advance, which he didn’t do, just to be clear.
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We never entered Dalaran, we took the bell from Darnassus.
genuinly wild that they are confronting kel’thezard of all things as if he matters compared to the literal pogrom
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Dalaran was used as a staging area for the Darnassus incursion.
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Can’t remember that. I did remix recently and we instantly went for Domination Point when the mission was done.
Somehow a story about a human and a blood elf in Dalaran never mentions the 2 times that Dalaran tried to kill the blood elves.
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The Purge is in the same boat as Talanji. They aren’t killing Jaina off (nor should they) so it will be ignored.
I mean its not like the Alliance/Horde(aside from Turaylon and Geya’rah) have been trying to rile up any of the old faction conflict.
Like it or not the factions seem at peace to the point Lo’thermar was recently allowed in Boralus and he and Jaina apperently shared some meloncholic moments.
Having seen the actual quest chain now, I just wanted to say…
Called it.
They don’t even have Jaina talk to Aethas that much. Would’ve easily been a moment where Jaina can emphasize with Aethas and try to comfort him by relating what he’s going through with what she did on Theramore. Maybe have Aethas almost take a darker turn but have Jaina talk him out of it by admitting that she made mistakes in the aftermath of Theramore.
But nah… just white wash it.
Still a nice questchain overall, but it really does lack any bite that it could have had.
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Um, guys I can’t get this quest to pop up on Kadgar… is there a perquisite to unlock? I wanted to rap it up yesterday but it was super late and decided to give it a go… but no luck.
Going to log in and give it a go one more time, maybe I got it but drop it and its NPC is has it on the ruins of Dalaran site! lol 
Anyway thanks if you happened to know how to get it going… I seem to be behind with the disc one to… it seems they don’t give it all at ones if you don’t do it weekly. So maybe that could be it too… 
This is WOW. The alliance will be favored. That means Jaina can do whatever she wants she will never see any consquences for her actions and be forgiven despite the Kirin Tor trying to kill all blood elves twice by now.
If the blood elf is Aethas, I get it.
I mean, they wouldn’t have to kill her to address it.
It’s still on the test server.
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Realistically, she is a state leader now, you really can’t try to punish her without starting another conflict.
So the only way Jaina could be addressing the purge of Dalaran at this point would be something out of her own initiative, like paying reparations or doing something for the Sunreavers, but then I feel this would backfire horribly into people claiming alliance bias because she was the one that sought to fix the things and not the horde that made her submit or something.
They never explain the precise mechanics of it, but it’s suggested that the only reason we were able to open a portal so close to Darnassus’s front door is because of something to do with Dalaran. Like we used Dalaran’s IFF indicator to bypass some kind of defensive warding.
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Not necessarily. She could be confronted by another NPC about it (not Aethas), and this time she could actually admit she was wrong or express regret. Honestly, I’d settle for that.
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That would require Blizzard to acknowledge that the Alliance are capable of doing wrong, though. So… not really any hope from me that’ll happen. This is kind of way I’m starting to lean towards just not involving the factions in the main story anymore. The writers at Blizzard clearly aren’t capable or willing enough to write nuanced stories that don’t just 
all over one faction or the other.
Better to leave the factions in the background and explore the races individually through Heritage Quest lines, imo. Like, here, I’d prefer if they just had the Horde players over somewhere else doing stuff with the Magisters and Scryers instead of having anything to do with the Kirin Tor or Jaina.
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Well, yes. There is that.
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They also aren’t going to eat up a bunch of design real estate paying off some prolonged vengeance seeking by wronged parties. I wish they would, as that is the sort of setup to pay off faction tensions the right way, but they seem unable/unwilling to approach nuanced plots based on faction conflict. Which is a shame, but the track record indicates they’d probably stumble unintentionally into yet another rehash of “the savages” not being able to overcome their own nature without help from Righteous Blonde Boi & Co.
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I definitely agree. I don’t think Jaina needs to be killed or humiliated or even necessarily apologize - just let the game show that there are other accepted viewpoints in-universe, that there are reasonable characters who are opposed to her because of the vicious actions she once did, that she isn’t universally loved and that’s okay.
This setting took off by having twists on standard heroic fantasy tropes, but having heroic characters still clash. Jaina can be a hero with a black mark instead of a pure, uncomplicated champion for the whole world and all the peoples on it. We have that already in Anduin, we don’t need Jaina to be the exact same archetype.
But I’m getting the feeling that the writers don’t want to write any character that is ‘wrong’ about anything. It feels to me like all the major characters who ever had anything to disagree with each other are either dropping their disagreements or getting retired. Genn was a great grey character, doing wrong but satisfying things, but he realized that he could only grudgingly work with the nation who murdered his son and that simply wasn’t good enough, so he left in favor of a perfectly cooperative and uncomplicated character. Tyrande and Malfurion also got over their past anger with the Horde and still left in favor of a completely cooperative and uncomplicated character. Wrathion’s past struggle with the Red Dragonflight trying to control him never even came up in DF in favor of cooperation all the way. Baelgrim held a grudge against the Unbound and got replaced by the perfectly cooperative and uncomplicated Lufsela. The General, the only one of the nerubians who might not be so friendly to the player factions after they deal with the Ascended, dies before there’s any chance of his motivations clashing with the player factions. Even the Arathi, the most dogmatic characters in this story, only require the antitheses of their faith to slay one extra monster before they become BFFs.
I’m all for the factions working together, but I like having the bite of many characters still holding grudges over events that deserve it. That doesn’t have to stop cooperation, just gives some juicy drama to discuss while fighting the shared enemy. It gives meaning to those characters who can move past their grudges. Without internal disagreements, the dialogue has a lot less to work with, and the characters are starting to feel a bit too same-y to me.
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